Saṅgāravasutta

Majjhima Nikāya 100

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suchTādiso thisayaṁ teachingdhammo whereyattha sensibleviññū personpuriso not-long·justnacirasseva ownsakaṁ denominationācariyakaṁ oneselfsayaṁ higher·knowabhiññā with-one's-own-eyes·makesacchikatvā near·attainupasampajja would livevihareyyā’ti.
thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, not-long·justnacirasseva quick·justkhippameva thattaṁ teachingdhammaṁ memorizedpariyāpuṇiṁ.
thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, so-much·justtāvatakeneva lip-recitaloṭṭhapahatamattena verbal repetitionlapitalāpanamattena doctrine of knowledge‘ñāṇavādañca I speakvadāmi, elder doctrinetheravādañca I knowjānāmi, I seepassāmī’ti andca I claimpaṭijānāmi, and Iahañceva othersaññe andca.
of thatTassa of memayhaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, this occurredetadahosi:
not‘na indeedkho Āḷāraāḷāro Kālāmakālāmo thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ solelykevalaṁ by mere faithsaddhāmattakena oneselfsayaṁ higher·knowabhiññā with-one's-own-eyes·makesacchikatvā near·attainupasampajja I liveviharāmīti forth·knowpavedeti;
surelyaddhā Āḷāraāḷāro Kālāmakālāmo thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ knowingjānaṁ seeingpassaṁ he livesviharatī’ti.

This teaching is such that a sensible person can soon realize their own denomination with their own insight and live having achieved it.’ I quickly memorized that teaching. As far as lip-recital and verbal repetition went, I spoke the doctrine of knowledge, the elder doctrine. I claimed to know and see, and so did others. Then it occurred to me, ‘It is not solely by mere faith that Āḷāra Kālāma declares: “I realize this teaching with my own insight, and live having achieved it.” Surely he meditates knowing and seeing this teaching.’

thenAtha indeed + Ikhvāhaṁ, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, whereyena Āḷāraāḷāro Kālāmakālāmo there·approachtenupasaṅkamiṁ; near·goupasaṅkamitvā Āḷāraāḷāraṁ Kālāmakālāmaṁ this + sayetadavocaṁ:
to what extent‘kittāvatā indeedno, friendāvuso Kālāma,kālāma, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ yourselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā directly·dosacchikatvā near + attainupasampajja you dwellviharāmīti do you declare?pavedesī’ti?
thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, Āḷāraāḷāro Kālāmakālāmo nothingness·dimensionākiñcaññāyatanaṁ he declaredpavedesi.
to himTassa to me,mayhaṁ, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, this + occuretadahosi:
not‘na indeedkho Āḷāra·justāḷārasseva to Kālāmakālāmassa there isatthi faith,saddhā, to me + also·bemayhampatthi faith;saddhā;
notna indeedkho Āḷāra·justāḷārasseva to Kālāmakālāmassa there isatthi energyvīriyaṁ ……pe…
mindfulnesssati ……
immersionsamādhi ……
wisdom,paññā, to me + also·bemayhampatthi wisdom.paññā.
why + surely·IYannūnāhaṁ whichyaṁ teachingdhammaṁ Āḷāraāḷāro Kālāmakālāmo himselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā directly·dosacchikatvā near + attainupasampajja I dwellviharāmīti he declarespavedeti of thattassa teachingdhammassa for realizationsacchikiriyāya I should strivepadaheyyan’ti.
thatSo indeedkho I,ahaṁ, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, not·long time·justnacirasseva quickly·justkhippameva thattaṁ teachingdhammaṁ myselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā directly·dosacchikatvā near + attainupasampajja I livedvihāsiṁ.
thenAtha indeed + Ikhvāhaṁ, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, whereyena Āḷāraāḷāro Kālāmakālāmo there·approachtenupasaṅkamiṁ; near·goupasaṅkamitvā Āḷāraāḷāraṁ Kālāmakālāmaṁ this + sayetadavocaṁ:

So I approached Āḷāra Kālāma and said to him: ‘Reverend Kālāma, to what extent do you say you’ve realized this teaching with your own insight?’ When I said this, he declared the dimension of nothingness. Then it occurred to me, ‘It’s not just Āḷāra Kālāma who has faith, energy, mindfulness, immersion, and wisdom; I too have these things. Why don’t I make an effort to realize the same teaching that Āḷāra Kālāma says he has realized with his own insight?’ I quickly realized that teaching with my own insight, and lived having achieved it. So I approached Āḷāra Kālāma and said to him,

up to this extent‘ettāvatā for usno, reverendāvuso Kālāmakālāma, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ for oneselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja do you declarepavedesī’ti?
up to this extent‘Ettāvatā indeedkho Iahaṁ, reverendāvuso, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ for oneselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja I declarepavedemī’ti.
I too‘Ahampi indeedkho, reverendāvuso, up to this extentettāvatā thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ for oneselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja I dwellviharāmī’ti.
gain‘Lābhā for usno, reverendāvuso, well gainedsuladdhaṁ for usno, reverendāvuso,
that weye wemayaṁ venerableāyasmantaṁ suchliketādisaṁ spiritual companionsabrahmacāriṁ we seepassāma.
thusIti that which Iyāhaṁ teachingdhammaṁ for oneselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja I declarepavedemi thattaṁ youtvaṁ teachingdhammaṁ for oneselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja you dwellviharasi;
that whichyaṁ youtvaṁ teachingdhammaṁ for oneselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja you dwellviharasi that Itamahaṁ teachingdhammaṁ for oneselfsayaṁ with direct knowledgeabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja I declarepavedemi.
thusIti that which Iyāhaṁ teachingdhammaṁ I knowjānāmi thattaṁ youtvaṁ teachingdhammaṁ you knowjānāsi, that whichyaṁ youtvaṁ teachingdhammaṁ you knowjānāsi that Itamahaṁ teachingdhammaṁ I knowjānāmi.
thusIti such asyādiso Iahaṁ suchliketādiso youtuvaṁ, such asyādiso youtuvaṁ suchliketādiso Iahaṁ.

‘Reverend Kālāma, is it up to this point that you realized this teaching with your own insight, and declare having achieved it?’ ‘I have, reverend.’ ‘I too have realized this teaching with my own insight up to this point, and live having achieved it.’ ‘We are fortunate, reverend, so very fortunate to see a venerable such as yourself as one of our spiritual companions! So the teaching that I’ve realized with my own insight, and declare having achieved it, you’ve realized with your own insight, and dwell having achieved it. The teaching that you’ve realized with your own insight, and dwell having achieved it, I’ve realized with my own insight, and declare having achieved it. So the teaching that I know, you know, and the teaching you know, I know. I am like you and you are like me.

come!Ehi nowdāni, friendāvuso, both of usubhova beingsantā thisimaṁ groupgaṇaṁ we should lead togetherpariharāmā’ti.
thusIti indeedkho, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, Āḷāraāḷāro Kālāmakālāmo teacherācariyo myme beingsamāno ownattano pupilantevāsiṁ memaṁ beingsamānaṁ with himselfattanā equalsamasamaṁ he placedṭhapesi, with loftyuḷārāya andca memaṁ with honorpūjāya he honoredpūjesi.
of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, this occurredetadahosi:
not this‘nāyaṁ teachingdhammo for disillusionmentnibbidāya notna for dispassionvirāgāya notna for cessationnirodhāya notna for peaceupasamāya notna for insightabhiññāya notna for awakeningsambodhāya notna for extinguishmentnibbānāya leadssaṁvattati, only as far asyāvadeva for rebirth in the dimension of nothingnessākiñcaññāyatanūpapattiyā’ti.
heSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, thattaṁ teachingdhammaṁ deeming inadequateanalaṅkaritvā from thattasmā teachingdhammā being disappointednibbijja I departedapakkamiṁ.

Come now, reverend! We should both lead this community together.’ And that is how my tutor Āḷāra Kālāma placed me, his pupil, on the same position as him, and honored me with high praise. Then it occurred to me, ‘This teaching doesn’t lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment. It only leads as far as rebirth in the dimension of nothingness.’ Realizing that this teaching was inadequate, I left disappointed.

heSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, seeking what is skillfulkiṅkusalagavesī supremeanuttaraṁ peace·sublime·statesantivarapadaṁ around·seekingpariyesamāno whereyena Uddakaudako Rāma·sonrāmaputto I approached himtenupasaṅkamiṁ; near·having approachedupasaṅkamitvā Uddakaudakaṁ Rāma·sonrāmaputtaṁ this·saidetadavocaṁ:
I wish‘icchāmahaṁ, friendāvuso, in thisimasmiṁ teaching·trainingdhammavinaye spiritual·lifebrahmacariyaṁ to leadcaritun’ti.
thusEvaṁ when this was saidvutte, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, Uddakaudako Rāma·sonrāmaputto to memaṁ this·saidetadavoca:
let the venerable one stay‘viharatāyasmā.
suchTādiso thisayaṁ teachingdhammo whereyattha sensibleviññū personpuriso not·longnacirasseva ownsakaṁ denominationācariyakaṁ oneselfsayaṁ with insightabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja should livevihareyyā’ti.
heSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, not·longnacirasseva quicklykhippameva thattaṁ teachingdhammaṁ memorizedpariyāpuṇiṁ.
heSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, as far as thattāvatakeneva lip·recital·mereoṭṭhapahatamattena speaking·repetition·merelapitalāpanamattena the doctrine of knowledge‘ñāṇavādañca I speakvadāmi, elder·doctrine·andtheravādañca I knowjānāmi, I seepassāmī’ti andca I claimpaṭijānāmi, I myself andahañceva othersaññe andca.
of thatTassa of memayhaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, this·occurredetadahosi:
not‘na indeedkho Rāmarāmo thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ solelykevalaṁ faith·meresaddhāmattakena oneselfsayaṁ with insightabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja I liveviharāmīti declaredpavedesi;
surelyaddhā Rāmarāmo thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ knowingjānaṁ seeingpassaṁ meditatedvihāsī’ti.

I set out to discover what is skillful, seeking the supreme state of sublime peace. I approached Uddaka son of Rāma and said to him, ‘Reverend, I wish to lead the spiritual life in this teaching and training.’ Uddaka replied, ‘Stay, venerable. This teaching is such that a sensible person can soon realize their own denomination with their own insight and live having achieved it.’ I quickly memorized that teaching. As far as lip-recital and verbal repetition went, I spoke the doctrine of knowledge, the elder doctrine. I claimed to know and see, and so did others. Then it occurred to me, ‘It is not solely by mere faith that Rāma declared: “I realize this teaching with my own insight, and live having achieved it.” Surely he meditated knowing and seeing this teaching.’

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