The Five and Three · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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experiencing happiness and sufferingsukhadukkhī
selfattā
andca
worldloko
andca
……
experiencing neither happiness nor sufferingadukkhamasukhī
selfattā
andca
worldloko
and,ca,
this veryidameva
truthsaccaṁ
they think is falsemoghamaññanti,
for themtesaṁ
surelyvata
apart fromaññatreva
faithsaddhāya
apart fromaññatra
endorsementruciyā
apart fromaññatra
oral transmissionanussavā
apart fromaññatra
reasoned train of thoughtākāraparivitakkā
apart fromaññatra
acceptance of a view after deliberationdiṭṭhinijjhānakkhantiyā
personally indeedpaccattaṁyeva
knowledgeñāṇaṁ
will bebhavissati
pureparisuddhaṁ
bright—this is notpariyodātanti—netaṁ
caseṭhānaṁ
is foundvijjati.
personalPaccattaṁ
indeedkho
butpana,
monksbhikkhave,
in knowledgeñāṇe
being absentasati
pureparisuddhe
brightpariyodāte
whateveryadapi
thosete
honorablebhonto
ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇā
theretattha
mere portion of knowledgeñāṇabhāgamattameva
they illuminatepariyodapenti
that tootadapi
for themtesaṁ
for the honorablebhavataṁ
of the ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇānaṁ
is called graspingupādānamakkhāyati.
this is‘Tayidaṁ
conditionedsaṅkhataṁ
crudeoḷārikaṁ
there isatthi
indeedkho
butpana
of conditionssaṅkhārānaṁ
cessationnirodho
this is realatthetan’ti—
thusiti
having understoodviditvā
of ittassa
seeing the escapenissaraṇadassāvī
the Realized Onetathāgato
has gone beyond thattadupātivatto.
or experience both happiness and suffering, or experience neither happiness nor suffering. It’s simply not possible for them to have personal knowledge of this that is pure and bright, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation. But in the absence of personal knowledge that is pure and bright, even the portion of knowledge they illuminate is said to be grasping on their part. ‘All that is conditioned and crude. But there is the cessation of conditions—that is real.’ Understanding this and seeing the escape from it, the Realized One has gone beyond all that.
hereIdha,
monksbhikkhave,
someekacco
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
of theories about the first beginningpubbantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
of theories about the final endaparantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
completelysabbaso
of the fetters of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanānaṁ
not fixatinganadhiṭṭhānā,
the rapturepavivekaṁ
of seclusionpītiṁ
having enteredupasampajja
remainviharati:
this‘etaṁ
is peacefulsantaṁ
thisetaṁ
is sublimepaṇītaṁ
that isyadidaṁ
the rapturepavivekaṁ
of seclusionpītiṁ
having enteredupasampajja
I remainviharāmī’ti.
of thatTassa
thatsā
rapture of seclusionpavivekā
rapturepīti
ceasesnirujjhati.
of the rapture of seclusionPavivekāya
of rapturepītiyā
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
sadnessdomanassaṁ,
of sadnessdomanassassa
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
rapture of seclusionpavivekā
rapturepīti.
Now, some ascetics and brahmins, letting go of theories about the first beginning and the final end, not fixating on the fetters of sensuality, enter and remain in the rapture of seclusion: ‘This is peaceful, this is sublime, that is, entering and remaining in the rapture of seclusion.’ But that rapture of seclusion of theirs ceases. When the rapture of seclusion ceases, sadness arises; and when sadness ceases, the rapture of seclusion arises.
just asSeyyathāpi,
monksbhikkhave,
whichyaṁ
shadowchāyā
leavesjahati
thattaṁ
sunlightātapo
fillspharati,
whichyaṁ
sunlightātapo
leavesjahati
thattaṁ
shadowchāyā
fillspharati;
just soevameva
indeedkho,
monksbhikkhave,
of seclusionpavivekāya
of rapturepītiyā
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
sadnessdomanassaṁ,
of sadnessdomanassassa
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
of seclusionpavivekā
rapturepīti.
this as followsTayidaṁ,
monksbhikkhave,
the Realized Onetathāgato
understandsabhijānāti.
thisAyaṁ
indeedkho
goodbhavaṁ
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
of theories about the first beginningpubbantānudiṭṭhīnañca
from letting gopaṭinissaggā,
of theories about the final endaparantānudiṭṭhīnañca
from letting gopaṭinissaggā,
completelysabbaso
of the fetters of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanānaṁ
from not fixatinganadhiṭṭhānā,
the rapturepavivekaṁ
of seclusionpītiṁ
having enteredupasampajja
remainsviharati:
this‘etaṁ
peacefulsantaṁ
thisetaṁ
sublimepaṇītaṁ
that isyadidaṁ
the rapturepavivekaṁ
of seclusionpītiṁ
having enteredupasampajja
I remainviharāmī’ti.
of himTassa
thatsā
of seclusionpavivekā
rapturepīti
ceasesnirujjhati.
of seclusionPavivekāya
of rapturepītiyā
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
sadnessdomanassaṁ,
of sadnessdomanassassa
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
of seclusionpavivekā
rapturepīti.
this as follows‘Tayidaṁ
conditionedsaṅkhataṁ
crudeoḷārikaṁ
there isatthi
indeedkho
butpana
of conditionssaṅkhārānaṁ
cessationnirodho
that is realatthetan’ti—
thusiti
having understoodviditvā
of himtassa
seeing the escapenissaraṇadassāvī
the Realized Onetathāgato
has gone beyond thattadupātivatto.
It’s like how the sunlight fills the space when the shadow leaves, or the shadow fills the space when the sunshine leaves. In the same way, when the rapture of seclusion ceases, sadness arises; and when sadness ceases, the rapture of seclusion arises. The Realized One understands this as follows. This good ascetic or brahmin, letting go of theories about the first beginning and the final end, not fixating on the fetters of sensuality, enters and remains in the rapture of seclusion: ‘This is peaceful, this is sublime, that is, entering and remaining in the rapture of seclusion.’ But that rapture of seclusion of theirs ceases. When the rapture of seclusion ceases, sadness arises; and when sadness ceases, the rapture of seclusion arises. ‘All that is conditioned and crude. But there is the cessation of conditions—that is real.’ Understanding this and seeing the escape from it, the Realized One has gone beyond all that.
hereIdha
nowpana,
O monksbhikkhave,
someekacco
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
of theories about the first beginning andpubbantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
of theories about the final end andaparantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
completelysabbaso
of the fetters of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanānaṁ
not fixating onanadhiṭṭhānā,
of seclusionpavivekāya
of rapturepītiyā
going beyondsamatikkamā
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ
enteringupasampajja
they remainviharati:
this‘etaṁ
peacefulsantaṁ
thisetaṁ
sublimepaṇītaṁ
that isyadidaṁ
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ
enteringupasampajja
I remainviharāmī’ti.
of that oneTassa
thattaṁ
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ
ceasesnirujjhati.
of pleasure not of the fleshNirāmisassa
of pleasuresukhassa
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
of seclusionpavivekā
rapturepīti,
of seclusionpavivekāya
of rapturepītiyā
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ.
Now, some ascetics and brahmins, letting go of theories about the first beginning and the final end, not fixating on the fetters of sensuality, going beyond the rapture of seclusion, enter and remain in pleasure not of the flesh. ‘This is peaceful, this is sublime, that is, entering and remaining in pleasure not of the flesh.’ But that pleasure not of the flesh of theirs ceases. When pleasure not of the flesh ceases, the rapture of seclusion arises; and when the rapture of seclusion ceases, pleasure not of the flesh arises.
just asSeyyathāpi,
monksbhikkhave,
whichyaṁ
shadowchāyā
leavesjahati
thattaṁ
sunlightātapo
fillspharati,
whichyaṁ
sunlightātapo
leavesjahati
thattaṁ
shadowchāyā
fillspharati;
just soevameva
indeedkho,
monksbhikkhave,
not of the fleshnirāmisassa
pleasuresukhassa
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
of seclusionpavivekā
rapturepīti,
of seclusionpavivekāya
rapturepītiyā
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ.
thisTayidaṁ,
monksbhikkhave,
the Realized Onetathāgato
understandsabhijānāti.
thisAyaṁ
indeedkho
goodbhavaṁ
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
of theories about the first beginningpubbantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
of theories about the final endaparantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
utterlysabbaso
of the fetters of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanānaṁ
not fixatinganadhiṭṭhānā,
of seclusionpavivekāya
rapturepītiyā
going beyondsamatikkamā,
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ
enteringupasampajja
remainsviharati:
this‘etaṁ
peacefulsantaṁ
thisetaṁ
sublimepaṇītaṁ
that isyadidaṁ
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ
enteringupasampajja
I remainviharāmī’ti.
of theirsTassa
thattaṁ
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ
ceasesnirujjhati.
not of the fleshNirāmisassa
pleasuresukhassa
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
of seclusionpavivekā
rapturepīti,
of seclusionpavivekāya
rapturepītiyā
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ.
this‘Tayidaṁ
conditionedsaṅkhataṁ
crudeoḷārikaṁ
there isatthi
indeedkho
butpana
of conditionssaṅkhārānaṁ
cessationnirodho
that is realatthetan’ti—
thusiti
understandingviditvā
of ittassa
seeing the escapenissaraṇadassāvī
the Realized Onetathāgato
has gone beyond all thattadupātivatto.
It’s like how the sunlight fills the space when the shadow leaves, or the shadow fills the space when the sunshine leaves. … The Realized One understands this as follows. This good ascetic or brahmin, letting go of theories about the first beginning and the final end, not fixating on the fetters of sensuality, going beyond the rapture of seclusion, enters and remains in pleasure not of the flesh. ‘This is peaceful, this is sublime, that is, entering and remaining in pleasure not of the flesh.’ But that pleasure not of the flesh of theirs ceases. When pleasure not of the flesh ceases, the rapture of seclusion arises; and when the rapture of seclusion ceases, pleasure not of the flesh arises. ‘All that is conditioned and crude. But there is the cessation of conditions—that is real.’ Understanding this and seeing the escape from it, the Realized One has gone beyond all that.
hereIdha
nowpana,
monksbhikkhave,
someekacco
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
of theories about the first beginning andpubbantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
of theories about the final end andaparantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
utterlysabbaso
of the fetters of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanānaṁ
not fixatinganadhiṭṭhānā,
of seclusionpavivekāya
of rapturepītiyā
going beyondsamatikkamā,
not of the fleshnirāmisassa
of pleasuresukhassa
going beyondsamatikkamā,
neutraladukkhamasukhaṁ
feelingvedanaṁ
enteringupasampajja
remainviharati:
this‘etaṁ
peacefulsantaṁ
thisetaṁ
sublimepaṇītaṁ
that isyadidaṁ
neutraladukkhamasukhaṁ
feelingvedanaṁ
enteringupasampajja
remainviharāmī’ti.
of thatTassa
thatsā
neutraladukkhamasukhā
feelingvedanā
ceasesnirujjhati.
of neutralAdukkhamasukhāya
feelingvedanāya
from the cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ,
not of the fleshnirāmisassa
of pleasuresukhassa
from the cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
neutraladukkhamasukhā
feelingvedanā.
Now, some ascetics and brahmins, letting go of theories about the first beginning and the final end, not fixating on the fetters of sensuality, going beyond the rapture of seclusion and pleasure not of the flesh, enter and remain in neutral feeling. ‘This is peaceful, this is sublime, that is, entering and remaining in neutral feeling.’ Then that neutral feeling ceases. When neutral feeling ceases, pleasure not of the flesh arises; and when pleasure not of the flesh ceases, neutral feeling arises.
just asSeyyathāpi,
monksbhikkhave,
that whichyaṁ
shadowchāyā
leavesjahati
thattaṁ
sunlightātapo
fillspharati,
that whichyaṁ
sunlightātapo
leavesjahati
thattaṁ
shadowchāyā
fillspharati;
just soevameva
indeedkho,
monksbhikkhave,
of neutral feelingadukkhamasukhāya
of feelingvedanāya
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ,
of pleasure not of the fleshnirāmisassa
of pleasuresukhassa
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
neutraladukkhamasukhā
feelingvedanā.
this as followsTayidaṁ,
monksbhikkhave,
the Realized Onetathāgato
understandsabhijānāti.
thisAyaṁ
indeedkho
goodbhavaṁ
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
of theories about the first beginningpubbantānudiṭṭhīnañca
from letting gopaṭinissaggā,
of theories about the final endaparantānudiṭṭhīnañca
from letting gopaṭinissaggā,
completelysabbaso
of fetters of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanānaṁ
from not fixatinganadhiṭṭhānā,
of seclusionpavivekāya
of rapturepītiyā
from going beyondsamatikkamā,
of pleasure not of the fleshnirāmisassa
of pleasuresukhassa
from going beyondsamatikkamā,
neutraladukkhamasukhaṁ
feelingvedanaṁ
having enteredupasampajja
he remainsviharati:
this‘etaṁ
peacefulsantaṁ
thisetaṁ
sublimepaṇītaṁ
that isyadidaṁ
neutraladukkhamasukhaṁ
feelingvedanaṁ
having enteredupasampajja
I remainviharāmī’ti.
for himTassa
thatsā
neutraladukkhamasukhā
feelingvedanā
ceasesnirujjhati.
of neutral feelingAdukkhamasukhāya
of feelingvedanāya
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
pleasuresukhaṁ,
of pleasure not of the fleshnirāmisassa
of pleasuresukhassa
from cessationnirodhā
arisesuppajjati
neutraladukkhamasukhā
feelingvedanā.
this as follows‘Tayidaṁ
conditionedsaṅkhataṁ
crudeoḷārikaṁ
there isatthi
indeedkho
butpana
of conditionssaṅkhārānaṁ
cessationnirodho
that is realatthetan’ti—
thusiti
having understoodviditvā
of ittassa
seeing the escapenissaraṇadassāvī
the Realized Onetathāgato
has gone beyond thattadupātivatto.
It’s like how the sunlight fills the space when the shadow leaves, or the shadow fills the space when the sunshine leaves. … The Realized One understands this as follows. This good ascetic or brahmin, letting go of theories about the first beginning and the final end, not fixating on the fetters of sensuality, going beyond the rapture of seclusion and pleasure not of the flesh, enters and remains in neutral feeling. ‘This is peaceful, this is sublime, that is, entering and remaining in neutral feeling.’ Then that neutral feeling ceases. When neutral feeling ceases, pleasure not of the flesh arises; and when pleasure not of the flesh ceases, neutral feeling arises. ‘All that is conditioned and crude. But there is the cessation of conditions—that is real.’ Understanding this and seeing the escape from it, the Realized One has gone beyond all that.
hereIdha
nowpana,
monksbhikkhave,
someoneekacco
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
of theories about the first beginning andpubbantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
of theories about the final end andaparantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
altogethersabbaso
of the fetters of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanānaṁ
not fixatinganadhiṭṭhānā,
of seclusionpavivekāya
of rapturepītiyā
going beyondsamatikkamā,
not of the fleshnirāmisassa
of pleasuresukhassa
going beyondsamatikkamā,
of neutraladukkhamasukhāya
feelingvedanāya
going beyondsamatikkamā:
I am at peace‘santohamasmi,
I am quenchednibbutohamasmi,
I am free of graspinganupādānohamasmī’ti
regardssamanupassati.
Now, some ascetics and brahmins, letting go of theories about the first beginning and the final end, not fixating on the fetters of sensuality, go beyond the rapture of seclusion, pleasure not of the flesh, and neutral feeling. They regard themselves like this: ‘I am at peace; I am quenched; I am free of grasping.’
this tooTayidaṁ,
monksbhikkhave,
the Realized Onetathāgato
understandsabhijānāti.
thisAyaṁ
indeedkho
goodbhavaṁ
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
of theories about the first beginning andpubbantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
of theories about the final end andaparantānudiṭṭhīnañca
letting gopaṭinissaggā,
utterlysabbaso
of the fetters of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanānaṁ
not fixating onanadhiṭṭhānā,
of seclusionpavivekāya
of the rapturepītiyā
going beyondsamatikkamā,
not of the fleshnirāmisassa
of pleasuresukhassa
going beyondsamatikkamā,
neutraladukkhamasukhāya
of feelingvedanāya
going beyondsamatikkamā:
I am at peace‘santohamasmi,
I am quenchednibbutohamasmi,
I am free of graspinganupādānohamasmī’ti
they regardsamanupassati;
clearlyaddhā
this venerableayamāyasmā
that is conducive to extinguishment, justnibbānasappāyaṁyeva
practicepaṭipadaṁ
speaks ofabhivadati.
neverthelessAtha
andca
this goodpanāyaṁ
goodbhavaṁ
asceticsamaṇo
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
orvā
a theory about the first beginningpubbantānudiṭṭhiṁ
orvā
graspingupādiyamāno
they graspupādiyati,
a theory about the final endaparantānudiṭṭhiṁ
orvā
graspingupādiyamāno
they graspupādiyati,
a fetter of sensualitykāmasaṁyojanaṁ
orvā
graspingupādiyamāno
they graspupādiyati,
the rapturepavivekaṁ
orvā
of seclusionpītiṁ
graspingupādiyamāno
they graspupādiyati,
not of the fleshnirāmisaṁ
orvā
pleasuresukhaṁ
graspingupādiyamāno
they graspupādiyati,
neutraladukkhamasukhaṁ
orvā
feelingvedanaṁ
graspingupādiyamāno
they graspupādiyati.
and that whichYañca
indeedkho
this venerableayamāyasmā:
I am at peace‘santohamasmi,
I am quenchednibbutohamasmi,
I am free of graspinganupādānohamasmī’ti
they regardsamanupassati
that tootadapi
of thisimassa
goodbhoto
asceticsamaṇassa
brahminbrāhmaṇassa
is said to be graspingupādānamakkhāyati.
this too‘Tayidaṁ
conditionedsaṅkhataṁ
coarseoḷārikaṁ
there isatthi
indeedkho
butpana
of conditionssaṅkhārānaṁ
cessationnirodho
that is realatthetan’ti—
thusiti
understandingviditvā
of ittassa
seeing the escapenissaraṇadassāvī
the Realized Onetathāgato
has gone beyond thattadupātivatto.
The Realized One understands this as follows. This good ascetic or brahmin, letting go of theories about the first beginning and the final end, not fixating on the fetters of sensuality, goes beyond the rapture of seclusion, pleasure not of the flesh, and neutral feeling. They regard themselves like this: ‘I am at peace; I am quenched; I am free of grasping.’ Clearly this venerable speaks of a practice that’s conducive to extinguishment. Nevertheless, they still grasp at theories about the first beginning or the final end, or the fetters of sensuality, or the rapture of seclusion, or pleasure not of the flesh, or neutral feeling. And when they regard themselves like this: ‘I am at peace; I am quenched; I am free of grasping,’ that’s also said to be grasping on their part. ‘All that is conditioned and crude. But there is the cessation of conditions—that is real.’ Understanding this and seeing the escape from it, the Realized One has gone beyond all that.
thisIdaṁ
indeedkho
butpana,
monksbhikkhave,
by the Realized Onetathāgatena
supremeanuttaraṁ
state of sublime peacesantivarapadaṁ
awakened toabhisambuddhaṁ
that isyadidaṁ—
of the sixchannaṁ
of the fields of contactphassāyatanānaṁ
and originsamudayañca
and disappearanceatthaṅgamañca
and gratificationassādañca
and drawbackādīnavañca
and escapenissaraṇañca
trulyyathābhūtaṁ
having understoodviditvā
liberation by not graspinganupādāvimokkho”ti.
said thisIdamavoca
the Blessed Onebhagavā.
satisfiedAttamanā
thosete
mendicantsbhikkhū
of the Blessed Onebhagavato
speechbhāsitaṁ
approvedabhinandunti.
the Discourse on the Five and ThreePañcattayasuttaṁ
finishedniṭṭhitaṁ
seconddutiyaṁ.
But the Realized One has awakened to the supreme state of sublime peace, that is, liberation by not grasping after truly understanding the six fields of contact’s origin, disappearance, gratification, drawback, and escape.” That is what the Buddha said. Satisfied, the mendicants approved what the Buddha said.
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