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Majjhima Nikāya 35

Cūḷasaccakasutta

The Shorter Discourse With Saccaka · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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thusEvaṁ by meme heardsutaṁ—
oneekaṁ timesamayaṁ the Buddhabhagavā near Vesālīvesāliyaṁ was stayingviharati great·woodmahāvane peaked roof·hallkūṭāgārasālāyaṁ.

by thatTena indeedkho nowpana at the timesamayena Saccakasaccako Jain·sonnigaṇṭhaputto in Vesālīvesāliyaṁ against·dwellpaṭivasati talk·forth·arguerbhassappavādako astute·speakerpaṇḍitavādo holy·deemedsādhusammato by many people.bahujanassa.
heSo in Vesālīvesāliyaṁ in a crowdparisati thusevaṁ speechvācaṁ speaks:bhāsati:
I do not“nāhaṁ that onetaṁ I seepassāmi asceticsamaṇaṁ orvā brahminbrāhmaṇaṁ or,vā, a leader of an ordersaṅghiṁ a community leadergaṇiṁ community·tutorgaṇācariyaṁ, not evenapi a perfected onearahantaṁ fully·awakenedsammāsambuddhaṁ back·knowpaṭijānamānaṁ, whoyo by memayā in debatevādena debatevādaṁ together·beginsamāraddho notna would shakesaṅkampeyya notna together·rocksampakampeyya notna together·tremblesampavedheyya, whoseyassa notna from the armpitskacchehi sweatsedā would be released.mucceyyuṁ.
a postThūṇaṁ if + Icepāhaṁ insentientacetanaṁ in debatevādena debatevādaṁ together·beginsamārabheyyaṁ, it·toosāpi by memayā in debatevādena debatevādaṁ together·beginsamāraddhā would shakesaṅkampeyya together·rocksampakampeyya together·tremblesampavedheyya.
howKo nowpana talkvādo of a human being?manussabhūtassā”ti?

thenAtha indeedkho venerableāyasmā Assajiassaji morning·timepubbaṇhasamayaṁ down·clothenivāsetvā bowl·robe + takepattacīvaramādāya Vesālīvesāliṁ for almspiṇḍāya enteredpāvisi.
sawAddasā indeedkho Saccakasaccako Nigaṇṭha·sonnigaṇṭhaputto in Vesālīvesāliyaṁ leg·walkjaṅghāvihāraṁ along·walkanucaṅkamamāno along·wanderanuvicaramāno venerableāyasmantaṁ Assajiassajiṁ from a distancedūratova comingāgacchantaṁ.
having seenDisvāna where venerableyenāyasmā Assajiassaji there approachedtenupasaṅkami; near·approachupasaṅkamitvā with venerableāyasmatā Assajiassajinā togethersaddhiṁ exchanged greetingssammodi.
greetingSammodanīyaṁ talkkathaṁ politesāraṇīyaṁ having exchangedvītisāretvā one·sideekamantaṁ stoodaṭṭhāsi. to one sideEkamantaṁ standingṭhito indeedkho Saccakasaccako Nigaṇṭha·sonnigaṇṭhaputto venerableāyasmantaṁ Assajiassajiṁ said thisetadavoca:

how“kathaṁ thenpana, worthybho Assajiassaji, the asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo disciplessāvake guidesvineti, of what kindkathaṁbhāgā andca thenpana of the asceticsamaṇassa of Gotamagotamassa among the disciplessāvakesu along·instructionanusāsanī generallybahulā proceedspavattatī”ti?
thus“Evaṁ indeedkho, Aggivessanaaggivessana, the Blessed Onebhagavā disciplessāvake guidesvineti, of such kindevaṁbhāgā andca thenpana of the Blessed Onebhagavato among the disciplessāvakesu along·instructionanusāsanī generallybahulā forth·turnpavattati:
form‘rūpaṁ, monksbhikkhave, not·permanentaniccaṁ, feelingvedanā not·permanentaniccā, perceptionsaññā not·permanentaniccā, choicessaṅkhārā not·permanentaniccā, apart·knowingviññāṇaṁ not·permanentaniccaṁ.
formRūpaṁ, monksbhikkhave, not·selfanattā, feelingvedanā not·selfanattā, perceptionsaññā not·selfanattā, choicessaṅkhārā not·selfanattā, apart·knowingviññāṇaṁ not·selfanattā.
allSabbe conditionssaṅkhārā not·permanentaniccā, allsabbe thingsdhammā not-selfanattā’ti.
thusEvaṁ indeedkho, Aggivessanaaggivessana, the Blessed Onebhagavā disciplessāvake guidesvineti, of such kindevaṁbhāgā andca thenpana of the Blessed Onebhagavato among the disciplessāvakesu along·instructionanusāsanī generallybahulā proceedspavattatī”ti.
ill-heard“Dussutaṁ trulyvata, worthybho Assajiassaji, we heardassumha thatye wemayaṁ such·doctrineevaṁvādiṁ the asceticsamaṇaṁ Gotamagotamaṁ we heardassumha.

hopefullyAppeva indeednāma wemayaṁ sometimeskadāci at any timekarahaci with himtena with the worthy onebhotā with Gotamagotamena togethersaddhiṁ we would meetsamāgaccheyyāma, hopefullyappeva indeednāma there would besiyā some kind ofkocideva discussionkathāsallāpo, hopefullyappeva indeednāma from himtasmā from harmfulpāpakā from misconceptiondiṭṭhigatā we would dissuadeviveceyyāmā”ti.

at thatTena indeedkho thenpana at the timesamayena about five hundredpañcamattāni Licchavi·hundredlicchavisatāni at the town hallsanthāgāre together·settledsannipatitāni arehonti by some + indeedkenacideva to be done.karaṇīyena.
thenAtha indeedkho Saccakasaccako Nigaṇṭha·sonnigaṇṭhaputto whereyena thosete Licchavislicchavī approached themtenupasaṅkami; having approachedupasaṅkamitvā thosete Licchavislicchavī said this:etadavoca:
come forth“abhikkamantu good sirsbhonto Licchavislicchavī, come forthabhikkamantu good sirsbhonto Licchavislicchavī, todayajja for meme with the asceticsamaṇena Gotamagotamena withsaddhiṁ talk·discussionkathāsallāpo will bebhavissati.
ifSace by meme the asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo sotathā will stand bypatiṭṭhissati asyathā andca by meme by a well-known discipleñātaññatarena disciplesāvakena Assajiassajinā namednāma mendicantbhikkhunā position statedpatiṭṭhitaṁ, just asseyyathāpi likenāma a strongbalavā manpuriso a fleecydīghalomikaṁ sheepeḷakaṁ by the fleecelomesu having grabbedgahetvā would dragākaḍḍheyya would drag to and froparikaḍḍheyya would drag round aboutsamparikaḍḍheyya;
so·just·Ievamevāhaṁ the asceticsamaṇaṁ Gotamagotamaṁ in debatevādena in debatevādaṁ will dragākaḍḍhissāmi will drag to and froparikaḍḍhissāmi will drag round about.samparikaḍḍhissāmi.
just asSeyyathāpi likenāma a strongbalavā brewer·workersoṇḍikākammakāro a largemahantaṁ brewer·sievesoṇḍikākiḷañjaṁ into a deepgambhīre water·lakeudakarahade having tossedpakkhipitvā by the cornerskaṇṇe having grabbedgahetvā would dragākaḍḍheyya would drag to and froparikaḍḍheyya would drag round aboutsamparikaḍḍheyya;
so·just·Ievamevāhaṁ the asceticsamaṇaṁ Gotamagotamaṁ in debatevādena in debatevādaṁ will dragākaḍḍhissāmi will drag to and froparikaḍḍhissāmi will drag round about.samparikaḍḍhissāmi.

just asSeyyathāpi indeednāma strongbalavā brewer's mixersoṇḍikādhutto strainervālaṁ by the cornerskaṇṇe having grabbedgahetvā would shake downodhuneyya would shake aboutniddhuneyya would give a beatingnipphoṭeyya;
so likewise Ievamevāhaṁ asceticsamaṇaṁ Gotamagotamaṁ with debatevādena in debatevādaṁ I will shake downodhunissāmi I will shake aboutniddhunissāmi I will give a beatingnipphoṭessāmi.
just asSeyyathāpi indeednāma elephantkuñjaro sixty-year-oldsaṭṭhihāyano deepgambhīraṁ lotus pondpokkharaṇiṁ having plungedogāhetvā hemp-washingsāṇadhovikaṁ indeednāma a gamekīḷitajātaṁ playskīḷati;
so likewise Ievamevāhaṁ asceticsamaṇaṁ Gotamagotamaṁ hemp-washingsāṇadhovikaṁ I thinkmaññe a gamekīḷitajātaṁ I will playkīḷissāmi.
come forthAbhikkamantu goodbhonto Licchavīslicchavī, come forthabhikkamantu goodbhonto Licchavīslicchavī, todayajja for meme with asceticsamaṇena Gotamagotamena togethersaddhiṁ discussionkathāsallāpo there will bebhavissatī”ti.

there + someTatrekacce Licchavislicchavī thus·saidevamāhaṁsu:
how?“kiṁ the asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo of Saccakasaccakassa Jain·sonnigaṇṭhaputtassa doctrinevādaṁ will refuteāropessati, thenatha indeedkho Saccakasaccako the Jain sonnigaṇṭhaputto of the asceticsamaṇassa Gotamagotamassa doctrinevādaṁ will refute ... ?āropessatī”ti?
someEkacce Licchavislicchavī thus·saidevamāhaṁsu:
how?“kiṁ heso beingbhavamāno Saccakasaccako the Jain sonnigaṇṭhaputto whoyo of the Blessed Onebhagavato doctrinevādaṁ will refuteāropessati, thenatha indeedkho the Blessed Onebhagavā of Saccakasaccakassa Jain·sonnigaṇṭhaputtassa doctrinevādaṁ will refute ... ?āropessatī”ti?
thenAtha indeedkho Saccakasaccako the Jain sonnigaṇṭhaputto five·hundredpañcamattehi by Licchavislicchavisatehi around·surroundparivuto whereyena great·woodmahāvanaṁ peaked roof·hallkūṭāgārasālā there he approachedtenupasaṅkami.

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