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Majjhima Nikāya 35

Cūḷasaccakasutta

The Shorter Discourse With Saccaka · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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whatKiṁ thenpana of a kingrañño of a khattiyakhattiyassa of an anointed one,muddhāvasittassa, such asseyyathāpi of kingrañño of Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosala,kosalassa, such asseyyathāpi orvā thenpana of kingrañño of Magadhamāgadhassa of Ajātasattuajātasattussa son of the Videhan lady?vedehiputtassa?
would wieldVatteyya, sirbho Gotama,gotama, and to wieldvattituñca he is fit."marahatī”ti.

that“Taṁ whatkiṁ you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
whichyaṁ youtvaṁ thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme is selfattā’ti, existsvattati for youte in thattasmiṁ formrūpe powervaso—
thusevaṁ myme formrūpaṁ may it behotu, thusevaṁ myme formrūpaṁ notmā may it beahosī”ti?
thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Saccakasaccako the Nigaṇṭha's sonnigaṇṭhaputto silenttuṇhī wasahosi.
second·alsoDutiyampi indeedkho the Blessed Onebhagavā Saccakasaccakaṁ nigaṇṭha·sonnigaṇṭhaputtaṁ said thisetadavoca:
that“taṁ whatkiṁ you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, whichyaṁ youtvaṁ thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme is selfattā’ti, existsvattati for youte in thattasmiṁ formrūpe powervaso—
thusevaṁ myme formrūpaṁ may it behotu, thusevaṁ myme formrūpaṁ notmā may it beahosī”ti?
second·alsoDutiyampi indeedkho Saccakasaccako the Nigaṇṭha's sonnigaṇṭhaputto silenttuṇhī wasahosi.
thenAtha indeedkho the Blessed Onebhagavā Saccakasaccakaṁ nigaṇṭha·sonnigaṇṭhaputtaṁ said thisetadavoca:
answer“byākarohi nowdāni, Aggivessanaaggivessana, notna nowdāni for youte silent·statetuṇhībhāvassa timekālo.
whoeverYo anyonekoci, Aggivessanaaggivessana by the Tathāgatatathāgatena as far as·thirdyāvatatiyaṁ with·dhammasahadhammikaṁ questionpañhaṁ askedpuṭṭho notna answersbyākaroti, right here·hisetthevassa seven·wayssattadhā headmuddhā burstsphalatī”ti.

by thatTena indeedkho thenpana at the timesamayena thunderbolt·handedvajirapāṇi spirityakkho ironāyasaṁ thunderboltvajiraṁ having takenādāya burningādittaṁ blazingsampajjalitaṁ glow·becomesajotibhūtaṁ of Saccakasaccakassa Nigaṇṭha·sonnigaṇṭhaputtassa above·airuparivehāsaṁ stoodṭhito washoti:
if this“sacāyaṁ Saccakasaccako Nigaṇṭha's sonnigaṇṭhaputto by the Blessed Onebhagavatā up to the third timeyāvatatiyaṁ with·legitimatesahadhammikaṁ questionpañhaṁ askedpuṭṭho notna will answerbyākarissati right there for himetthevassa into seven piecessattadhā headmuddhaṁ I will blowphālessāmī”ti.
thatTaṁ indeedkho thenpana Vajirapāṇivajirapāṇiṁ spirityakkhaṁ the Blessed Onebhagavā andceva seespassati Saccakasaccako andca Nigaṇṭha's sonnigaṇṭhaputto.
thenAtha indeedkho Saccakasaccako Nigaṇṭha's sonnigaṇṭhaputto terrifiedbhīto shockedsaṁviggo awestrucklomahaṭṭhajāto the Blessed One himselfbhagavantaṁyeva sheltertāṇaṁ soughtgavesī the Blessed One himselfbhagavantaṁyeva asylumleṇaṁ soughtgavesī the Blessed One himselfbhagavantaṁyeva refugesaraṇaṁ soughtgavesī the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ this·saidetadavoca:
let ask“pucchatu memaṁ worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo, I will answerbyākarissāmī”ti.

that“Taṁ what?kiṁ you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
whenyaṁ youtvaṁ thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme selfattā’ti, there isvattati for youte in thattasmiṁ formrūpe powervaso—
thusevaṁ myme formrūpaṁ let it behotu, thusevaṁ myme formrūpaṁ notmā may it not beahosī”ti?
no“No indeed thishidaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama”.

in the mind“Manasi makekarohi, Aggivessanaaggivessana;
in the mindmanasi having madekaritvā indeedkho, Aggivessanaaggivessana, you should answerbyākarohi.
notNa indeedkho of youte it fits togethersandhiyati with the earlierpurimena orvā the laterpacchimaṁ with the laterpacchimena orvā the earlierpurimaṁ.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
thatyaṁ youtvaṁ thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
feeling‘vedanā myme selfattā’ti, it existsvattati of youte over thattissaṁ over feelingvedanāyaṁ powervaso—
thusevaṁ myme feelingvedanā may it behotu, thusevaṁ myme feelingvedanā may it not bemā wasahosī”ti?
no“No indeed thishidaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama”.

mind“Manasi makekarohi, Aggivessanaaggivessana;
mindmanasi having madekaritvā thenkho, Aggivessanaaggivessana, you should answerbyākarohi.
notNa indeedkho yourte agreessandhiyati with the earlierpurimena orvā the laterpacchimaṁ, with the laterpacchimena orvā the earlierpurimaṁ.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
whichyaṁ youtvaṁ thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
perception‘saññā myme selfattā’ti, is therevattati yourte over thistissaṁ perceptionsaññāyaṁ powervaso—
thusevaṁ myme perceptionsaññā may it behotu, thusevaṁ myme perceptionsaññā notmā not·beahosī”ti?
no“No herehidaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama”.

attention“Manasi makekarohi, Aggivessanaaggivessana;
attentionmanasi having madekaritvā indeedkho, Aggivessanaaggivessana, you should answerbyākarohi.
notNa indeedkho yourte it agreessandhiyati with the formerpurimena orvā the latterpacchimaṁ, with the latterpacchimena orvā the formerpurimaṁ.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
that whichyaṁ youtvaṁ thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
choices‘saṅkhārā myme selfattā’ti, it existsvattati to youte over thosetesu choicessaṅkhāresu powervaso—
thusevaṁ myme choicessaṅkhārā let them behontu, thusevaṁ myme choicessaṅkhārā let them not bemā they wereahesun”ti?
no“No thishidaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama”.

attention“Manasi make!karohi, Aggivessanaaggivessana;
attentionmanasi having madekaritvā indeedkho, Aggivessanaaggivessana, answer!byākarohi.
notNa indeedkho yourte fits togethersandhiyati with the earlierpurimena orvā the laterpacchimaṁ, with the laterpacchimena orvā the earlierpurimaṁ.
thatTaṁ what?kiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
that whichyaṁ youtvaṁ thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
consciousness‘viññāṇaṁ myme selfattā’ti, is therevattati yourte in thattasmiṁ in consciousnessviññāṇe powervaso—
thusevaṁ myme consciousnessviññāṇaṁ let it be!hotu, thusevaṁ myme consciousnessviññāṇaṁ notmā let it be!ahosī”ti?
no“No certainly herehidaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama”.

“attention“Manasi makekarohi, Aggivessanaaggivessana;
attentionmanasi having madekaritvā indeedkho, Aggivessanaaggivessana, answerbyākarohi.
notNa indeedkho yourte agreessandhiyati with the earlierpurimena orvā the laterpacchimaṁ, with the laterpacchimena orvā the earlierpurimaṁ.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
formrūpaṁ permanentniccaṁ orvā not·permanentaniccaṁ or?”vā”ti?
not·permanent“Aniccaṁ, worthybho Gotama”.gotama”.
“What“Yaṁ is impermanentpanāniccaṁ sufferingdukkhaṁ orvā thattaṁ happinesssukhaṁ or?”vā”ti?
“Suffering,“Dukkhaṁ, worthybho Gotama”.gotama”.
“What“Yaṁ is impermanentpanāniccaṁ sufferingdukkhaṁ perishablevipariṇāmadhammaṁ, fitkallaṁ thennu thattaṁ to be regardedsamanupassituṁ:
this‘etaṁ minemama, I am thisesohamasmi, thiseso myme self’?”attā’”ti?
“No,“No indeedhidaṁ, worthybho Gotama”.gotama”.
“What“Taṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
feelingvedanā …pe……pe…
perceptionsaññā …pe……pe…
choicessaṅkhārā …pe……pe…
thattaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ permanentniccaṁ orvā not·permanentaniccaṁ or?”vā”ti?
not·permanent“Aniccaṁ, worthybho Gotama”.gotama”.
“What“Yaṁ is impermanentpanāniccaṁ sufferingdukkhaṁ orvā thattaṁ happinesssukhaṁ or?”vā”ti?
“Suffering,“Dukkhaṁ, worthybho Gotama”.gotama”.
“What“Yaṁ is impermanentpanāniccaṁ sufferingdukkhaṁ perishablevipariṇāmadhammaṁ, fitkallaṁ thennu thattaṁ to be regardedsamanupassituṁ:

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