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Majjhima Nikāya 35

Cūḷasaccakasutta

The Shorter Discourse With Saccaka · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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by thatTena indeedkho thenpana timesamayena severalsambahulā monksbhikkhū in the open airabbhokāse they are walkingcaṅkamanti.
thenAtha indeedkho Saccakasaccako son of a Jainnigaṇṭhaputto whereyena thosete monksbhikkhū he approached themtenupasaṅkami; having approachedupasaṅkamitvā thosete monksbhikkhū he said thisetadavoca:
where“kahaṁ nownu indeedkho, sirsbho, at presentetarahi thatso worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo he dwellsviharati?
desiring to seeDassanakāmā forhi wemayaṁ himtaṁ worthybhavantaṁ Gotamagotaman”ti.
Esa“Esa, Aggivessanaaggivessana, blessed onebhagavā great woodmahāvanaṁ having plunged intoajjhogāhetvā at a certainaññatarasmiṁ root of a treerukkhamūle for the day's meditationdivāvihāraṁ seatednisinno”ti.

thenAtha indeedkho Saccakasaccako son of a Jainnigaṇṭhaputto with a largemahatiyā group of Licchavislicchaviparisāya together withsaddhiṁ the Great Woodmahāvanaṁ having enteredajjhogāhetvā whereyena the Blessed Onebhagavā he approached himtenupasaṅkami; having approachedupasaṅkamitvā with the Blessed Onebhagavatā together withsaddhiṁ exchanged greetingssammodi.
greetingSammodanīyaṁ conversationkathaṁ politesāraṇīyaṁ having exchangedvītisāretvā to one sideekamantaṁ sat downnisīdi.
those tooTepi indeedkho Licchavislicchavī someappekacce the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ having bowedabhivādetvā to one sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu, someappekacce with the Blessed Onebhagavatā together withsaddhiṁ exchanged greetingssammodiṁsu, greetingsammodanīyaṁ conversationkathaṁ politesāraṇīyaṁ having exchangedvītisāretvā to one sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu. someAppekacce whereyena the Blessed Onebhagavā toward him cupped palmstenañjaliṁ having held uppaṇāmetvā to one sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu, someappekacce of the Blessed Onebhagavato in the presencesantike name and clannāmagottaṁ having announcedsāvetvā to one sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu, someappekacce having become silenttuṇhībhūtā to one sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu.

on one sideEkamantaṁ seatednisinno indeedkho Saccakasaccako son of a Jainnigaṇṭhaputto to the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ said thisetadavoca:
I might ask“puccheyyāhaṁ the worthybhavantaṁ Gotamagotamaṁ somekiñcideva pointdesaṁ, ifsace to meme the worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo opportunityokāsaṁ makeskaroti of a questionpañhassa for answeringveyyākaraṇāyā”ti.
ask“Puccha, Aggivessanaaggivessana, whatever you wishyadākaṅkhasī”ti.
how“Kathaṁ thenpana the worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo disciplessāvake guidesvineti, on what topicskathaṁbhāgā andca thenpana of the worthybhoto Gotamagotamassa to disciplessāvakesu instructionanusāsanī usuallybahulā proceedspavattatī”ti?
thus“Evaṁ indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, disciplessāvake guidevinemi, on these topicsevaṁbhāgā andca thenpana myme to disciplessāvakesu instructionanusāsanī usuallybahulā proceedspavattati:
form‘rūpaṁ, monksbhikkhave, impermanentaniccaṁ, feelingvedanā impermanentaniccā, perceptionsaññā impermanentaniccā, choicessaṅkhārā impermanentaniccā, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ impermanentaniccaṁ.
formRūpaṁ, monksbhikkhave, not-selfanattā, feelingvedanā not-selfanattā, perceptionsaññā not-selfanattā, choicessaṅkhārā not-selfanattā, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ not-selfanattā.
allSabbe conditionssaṅkhārā impermanentaniccā, allsabbe thingsdhammā not-selfanattā’ti.
thusEvaṁ indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, disciplessāvake guidevinemi, on these topicsevaṁbhāgā andca thenpana myme to disciplessāvakesu instructionanusāsanī usuallybahulā proceedspavattatī”ti.

a simile“Upamā memaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama, strikes; quotation markerpaṭibhātī”ti.
let it strike“Paṭibhātu youtaṁ, Aggivessana; quotation markeraggivessanā”ti the Buddhabhagavā saidavoca.
just as“Seyyathāpi, worthybho Gotamagotama, whicheverye thesekecime plants and seedsbījagāmabhūtagāmā growthvuddhiṁ increasevirūḷhiṁ maturityvepullaṁ achieveāpajjanti, allsabbe theyte the earthpathaviṁ depending onnissāya on the earthpathaviyaṁ groundedpatiṭṭhāya.
in this way theseEvamete plants and seedsbījagāmabhūtagāmā growthvuddhiṁ increasevirūḷhiṁ maturityvepullaṁ achieveāpajjanti.
just asSeyyathāpi orvā indeedpana, worthybho Gotamagotama, whicheverye thesekecime hard workbalakaraṇīyā taskskammantā get donekarīyanti, allsabbe theyte the earthpathaviṁ depending onnissāya on the earthpathaviyaṁ groundedpatiṭṭhāya.
in this way theseEvamete hard workbalakaraṇīyā taskskammantā get donekarīyanti.

just soEvameva indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, whose self is formrūpattāyaṁ an individual personpurisapuggalo in formrūpe establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā wickednessapuññaṁ orvā they brim withpasavati, whose self is feelingvedanattāyaṁ an individual personpurisapuggalo in feelingvedanāyaṁ establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā wickednessapuññaṁ orvā they brim withpasavati, whose self is perceptionsaññattāyaṁ an individual personpurisapuggalo in perceptionsaññāyaṁ establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā wickednessapuññaṁ orvā they brim withpasavati, whose self is choicessaṅkhārattāyaṁ an individual personpurisapuggalo in choicessaṅkhāresu establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā wickednessapuññaṁ orvā they brim withpasavati, whose self is consciousnessviññāṇattāyaṁ an individual personpurisapuggalo in consciousnessviññāṇe establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā wickednessapuññaṁ orvā they brim with”pasavatī”ti.

is it not“Nanu youtvaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme selfattā, feelingvedanā myme selfattā, perceptionsaññā myme selfattā, choicessaṅkhārā myme selfattā, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ myme selfattā’”ti?
I indeed“Ahañhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, thusevaṁ I sayvadāmi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme selfattā, feelingvedanā myme selfattā, perceptionsaññā myme selfattā, choicessaṅkhārā myme selfattā, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ myme selfattā’ti, and thisayañca bigmahatī crowdjanatā”ti.
what indeed“Kiñhi to youte, Aggivessanaaggivessana, bigmahatī crowdjanatā will dokarissati?
pleaseIṅgha youtvaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, your ownsakaññeva statementvādaṁ unpacknibbeṭhehī”ti.
I indeed“Ahañhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, thusevaṁ I sayvadāmi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme selfattā, feelingvedanā myme selfattā, perceptionsaññā myme selfattā, choicessaṅkhārā myme selfattā, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ myme selfattā’”ti.

by this“Tena thenhi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, the very same I will ask you abouttaññevettha I will ask in returnpaṭipucchissāmi, asyathā to youte it may be pleasingkhameyya sotathā itnaṁ you may explainbyākareyyāsi.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
would there bevatteyya of a kingrañño an aristocratickhattiyassa anointedmuddhāvasittassa in his ownsakasmiṁ in the realmvijite powervaso—
those who have incurred executionghātetāyaṁ orvā to executeghātetuṁ, those who have incurred finesjāpetāyaṁ orvā to finejāpetuṁ, those who have incurred banishmentpabbājetāyaṁ orvā to banishpabbājetuṁ, such asseyyathāpi of kingrañño Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa, such asseyyathāpi orvā thenpana of kingrañño of Magadhamāgadhassa Ajātasattuajātasattussa son of the Videhan princessvedehiputtassā”ti?
would there be“Vatteyya, worthybho Gotamagotama, of a kingrañño an aristocratickhattiyassa anointedmuddhāvasittassa in his ownsakasmiṁ in the realmvijite powervaso—
those who have incurred executionghātetāyaṁ orvā to executeghātetuṁ, those who have incurred finesjāpetāyaṁ orvā to finejāpetuṁ, those who have incurred banishmentpabbājetāyaṁ orvā to banishpabbājetuṁ, such asseyyathāpi of kingrañño Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa, such asseyyathāpi orvā thenpana of kingrañño of Magadhamāgadhassa Ajātasattuajātasattussa son of the Videhan princessvedehiputtassa.
even for theseImesampi indeedhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, of federationssaṅghānaṁ of communitiesgaṇānaṁ—
that is, of the VajjisSeyyathidaṁ—vajjīnaṁ of Mallasmallānaṁ—
there isvattati in their ownsakasmiṁ in the realmvijite powervaso—
those who have incurred executionghātetāyaṁ orvā to executeghātetuṁ, those who have incurred finesjāpetāyaṁ orvā to finejāpetuṁ, those who have incurred banishmentpabbājetāyaṁ orvā to banishpabbājetuṁ.

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