Mahāsaccakasutta

Majjhima Nikāya 36

The Longer Discourse With Saccaka · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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just so“Evameva indeedkho, Aggivessanaaggivessana, whoye indeedhi anykeci asceticssamaṇā orvā brahminsbrāhmaṇā orvā in bodykāyena andceva in mindcittena andca from sensual pleasureskāmehi withdrawnvūpakaṭṭhā they liveviharanti, thatyo andca of themnesaṁ in sensual pleasureskāmesu desire for sensual pleasureskāmacchando affection for sensual pleasureskāmasneho infatuation with sensual pleasureskāmamucchā thirst for sensual pleasureskāmapipāsā passion for sensual pleasureskāmapariḷāho thatso andca internallyajjhattaṁ notna well given upsuppahīno ishoti, notna well stilledsuppaṭippassaddho, due to exertionopakkamikā even ifcepi theyte sirsbhonto ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā severekharā acutekaṭukā feelingsvedanā they feelvedayanti, incapableabhabbāva theyte of knowledgeñāṇāya of visiondassanāya of supremeanuttarāya of awakeningsambodhāya. if notNo even ifcepi theyte sirsbhonto ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇā due to exertionopakkamikā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā severekharā acutekaṭukā feelingsvedanā they feelvedayanti, incapableabhabbāva theyte of knowledgeñāṇāya of visiondassanāya of supremeanuttarāya of awakeningsambodhāya.
thisAyaṁ indeedkho to memaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, seconddutiyā exampleupamā it occurredpaṭibhāsi unremarkableanacchariyā previouslypubbe unheard beforeassutapubbā

another alsoAparāpi indeedkho memaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, thirdtatiyā simileupamā occurredpaṭibhāsi unwontedanacchariyā previouslypubbe unheard beforeassutapubbā.
supposeSeyyathāpi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, dried upsukkhaṁ logkaṭṭhaṁ witheredkoḷāpaṁ, farārakā from waterudakā on dry landthale lyingnikkhittaṁ.
thenAtha personpuriso would comeāgaccheyya drill-stickuttarāraṇiṁ takingādāya:
fire‘aggiṁ I will lightabhinibbattessāmi, heattejo I will producepātukarissāmī’ti.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
wouldapi thennu thatso personpuriso thatamuṁ dried upsukkhaṁ logkaṭṭhaṁ witheredkoḷāpaṁ, farārakā from waterudakā on dry landthale lyingnikkhittaṁ, drill-stickuttarāraṇiṁ takingādāya drillingabhimanthento fireaggiṁ could lightabhinibbatteyya, heattejo could producepātukareyyā”ti?
yes“Evaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama”.
that“Taṁ whatkissa reasonhetu”?
for“Aduñhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, dried upsukkhaṁ logkaṭṭhaṁ witheredkoḷāpaṁ, and ittañca moreoverpana farārakā from waterudakā on dry landthale lyingnikkhittan”ti.

“just so“Evameva indeed,kho, Aggivessana,aggivessana, whoye indeedhi anykeci asceticssamaṇā orvā brahminsbrāhmaṇā orvā in bodykāyena andceva in mindcittena andca from sensual pleasureskāmehi withdrawnvūpakaṭṭhā they live,viharanti, whateveryo andca theirnesaṁ in sensual pleasureskāmesu desirekāmacchando affectionkāmasneho infatuationkāmamucchā thirstkāmapipāsā passion,kāmapariḷāho, thatso andca internallyajjhattaṁ well given upsuppahīno ishoti well stilled,suppaṭippassaddho, due to exertionopakkamikā ifcepi thosete honorablebhonto ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā severekharā acutekaṭukā feelingsvedanā they feel,vedayanti, capable themselvesbhabbāva theyte of knowledgeñāṇāya of visiondassanāya of supremeanuttarāya of awakening.sambodhāya. notNo ifcepi thosete honorablebhonto ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇā due to exertionopakkamikā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā severekharā acutekaṭukā feelingsvedanā they feel,vedayanti, capable themselvesbhabbāva theyte of knowledgeñāṇāya of visiondassanāya of supremeanuttarāya of awakening.sambodhāya.
thisAyaṁ indeedkho to me,maṁ, Aggivessana,aggivessana, thirdtatiyā exampleupamā occurredpaṭibhāsi not supernaturalanacchariyā beforepubbe previously unheard.assutapubbā.
theseImā indeedkho to me,maṁ, Aggivessana,aggivessana, threetisso examplesupamā occurredpaṭibhaṁsu not supernaturalanacchariyā beforepubbe previously unheard.assutapubbā.

of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, this occurredetadahosi:
why don't I‘yannūnāhaṁ with teethdantebhi tooth + clenchdantamādhāya, with tonguejivhāya roof of mouthtāluṁ pressed againstāhacca, with mindcetasā mindcittaṁ against·squeezeabhiniggaṇheyyaṁ against·squashabhinippīḷeyyaṁ should scorch'abhisantāpeyyan’ti.
thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, with teethdantebhi tooth + clenchdantamādhāya, with tonguejivhāya roof of mouthtāluṁ pressed againstāhacca, with mindcetasā mindcittaṁ against·squeezeabhiniggaṇhāmi against·squashabhinippīḷemi against·scorchabhisantāpemi.
of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, with teethdantebhi tooth + clenchdantamādhāya with tonguejivhāya roof of mouthtāluṁ pressed againstāhacca with mindcetasā mindcittaṁ against·squeezeabhiniggaṇhato against·squashabhinippīḷayato against·scorchabhisantāpayato from armpitskacchehi sweatsedā ran.muccanti.
as whenSeyyathāpi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, strongbalavā manpuriso weakerdubbalataraṁ manpurisaṁ by headsīse orvā having grabbedgahetvā by throatkhandhe orvā having grabbedgahetvā against·squeezeabhiniggaṇheyya against·squashabhinippīḷeyya against·scorchabhisantāpeyya;
even soevameva indeedkho to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, with teethdantebhi tooth + clenchdantamādhāya, with tonguejivhāya roof of mouthtāluṁ pressed againstāhacca, with mindcetasā mindcittaṁ against·squeezeabhiniggaṇhato against·squashabhinippīḷayato against·scorchabhisantāpayato from armpitskacchehi sweatsedā ran.muccanti.
rousedĀraddhaṁ indeedkho butpana to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, energyvīriyaṁ washoti unflaggingasallīnaṁ, establishedupaṭṭhitā mindfulnesssati lucidasammuṭṭhā, disturbedsāraddho andca butpana to meme bodykāyo washoti not tranquilappaṭippassaddho because of just thatteneva painful·strivingdukkhappadhānena striving·oppresspadhānābhitunnassa mindful.sato.

even suchEvarūpāpi indeedkho for meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, arisenuppannā painfuldukkhā feelingvedanā mindcittaṁ notna having occupiedpariyādāya it remainstiṭṭhati.

of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, this·wasetadahosi:
why don't I‘yannūnāhaṁ breathless + justappāṇakaṁyeva absorptionjhānaṁ I would practicejhāyeyyan’ti.
thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāse down·obstructuparundhiṁ.
of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāsesu down·obstructuparuddhesu ear·holekaṇṇasotehi of windsvātānaṁ out·gonikkhamantānaṁ excessiveadhimatto soundsaddo ishoti.
just asSeyyathāpi indeednāma smith·bellowskammāragaggariyā being blowndhamamānāya excessiveadhimatto soundsaddo ishoti;
even soevameva indeedkho to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāsesu down·obstructuparuddhesu ear·holekaṇṇasotehi of windsvātānaṁ out·gonikkhamantānaṁ excessiveadhimatto soundsaddo ishoti.
roused upĀraddhaṁ indeedkho butpana to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, energyvīriyaṁ ishoti not·sluggishasallīnaṁ up·stoodupaṭṭhitā mindfulnesssati not·confusedasammuṭṭhā. disturbedSāraddho andca butpana myme bodykāyo ishoti not·tranquilappaṭippassaddho by that veryteneva painful·strivingdukkhappadhānena struck by strivingpadhānābhitunnassa beingsato.
even suchEvarūpāpi indeedkho to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, arisenuppannā painfuldukkhā feelingvedanā mindcittaṁ notna having occupiedpariyādāya remainstiṭṭhati.

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