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Majjhima Nikāya 36

Mahāsaccakasutta

The Longer Discourse With Saccaka · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, it occurredetadahosi:
why don't I‘yannūnāhaṁ breathless + justappāṇakaṁyeva absorptionjhānaṁ I might practicejhāyeyyan’ti.
thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāse up·obstructuparundhiṁ.
of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāsesu up·obstructuparuddhesu strongadhimattā windsvātā in the headmuddhani they grindūhananti.
just asSeyyathāpi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, strongbalavā manpuriso with a sharptiṇhena pointsikharena in the headmuddhani into·drillabhimattheyya;
just soevameva indeedkho for meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāsesu up·obstructuparuddhesu strongadhimattā windsvātā in the headmuddhani they grindūhananti.
roused upĀraddhaṁ indeedkho butpana for meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, energyvīriyaṁ washoti not·sluggishasallīnaṁ establishedupaṭṭhitā mindfulnesssati not·confusedasammuṭṭhā. disturbedSāraddho andca butpana myme bodykāyo washoti not·tranquilappaṭippassaddho that + veryteneva painful·strivingdukkhappadhānena overcome by strivingpadhānābhitunnassa of one mindfulsato.
even suchEvarūpāpi indeedkho for meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, arisenuppannā painfuldukkhā feelingvedanā the mindcittaṁ notna occupyingpariyādāya it remainedtiṭṭhati.

Then it occurred to me, ‘Why don’t I keep practicing the breathless absorption?’ So I cut off my breathing through my mouth and nose and ears. But then strong winds ground my head, like a strong man was drilling into my head with a sharp point. My energy was roused up and unflagging, and my mindfulness was established and lucid, but my body was disturbed, not tranquil, because I’d pushed too hard with that painful striving. But even such painful feeling did not occupy my mind.

of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, this·wasetadahosi:
why don't I‘yannūnāhaṁ breathless + justappāṇakaṁyeva absorptionjhānaṁ should practicejhāyeyyan’ti.
thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāse up·obstructuparundhiṁ.
of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāsesu up·obstructuparuddhesu severeadhimattā in the headsīse head·painsīsavedanā arehonti.
just asSeyyathāpi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, a strongbalavā manpuriso with a toughdaḷhena leather strap·piecevarattakkhaṇḍena on the headsīse head·tighteningsīsaveṭhaṁ would givedadeyya;
thus·justevameva indeedkho to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāsesu up·obstructuparuddhesu severeadhimattā in the headsīse head·painsīsavedanā arehonti.
roused upĀraddhaṁ indeedkho butpana myme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, energyvīriyaṁ washoti not·sluggishasallīnaṁ up·stoodupaṭṭhitā mindfulnesssati not·confusedasammuṭṭhā. disturbedSāraddho andca butpana myme bodykāyo washoti not·tranquilizedappaṭippassaddho that·veryteneva painful·strivingdukkhappadhānena of one afflicted by strivingpadhānābhitunnassa being mindfulsato.
such·formEvarūpāpi indeedkho to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, arisenuppannā painfuldukkhā feelingvedanā the mindcittaṁ notna having overcomepariyādāya remainstiṭṭhati.

Then it occurred to me, ‘Why don’t I keep practicing the breathless absorption?’ So I cut off my breathing through my mouth and nose and ears. But then I got a severe headache, like a strong man was tightening a strong leather strap around my head. My energy was roused up and unflagging, and my mindfulness was established and lucid, but my body was disturbed, not tranquil, because I’d pushed too hard with that painful striving. But even such painful feeling did not occupy my mind.

of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, this occurredetadahosi:
why don't I‘yannūnāhaṁ breathless + justappāṇakaṁyeva absorptionjhānaṁ should practicejhāyeyyan’ti.
ISo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from mouthmukhato andca from nosenāsato andca from earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāse off·cutuparundhiṁ.
of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from mouthmukhato andca from nosenāsato andca from earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāsesu off·cutuparuddhesu strongadhimattā windsvātā bellykucchiṁ around·cutparikantanti.
just asSeyyathāpi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, deftdakkho cow·slayergoghātako orvā cow·slayer·apprenticegoghātakantevāsī orvā with sharptiṇhena cow·cleavergovikantanena bellykucchiṁ around·cutparikanteyya;
just soevameva indeedkho myme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from mouthmukhato andca from nosenāsato andca from earskaṇṇato andca in-breath·out-breathassāsapassāsesu off·cutuparuddhesu strongadhimattā windsvātā bellykucchiṁ around·cutparikantanti.
roused upĀraddhaṁ indeedkho butpana myme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, energyvīriyaṁ ishoti unflaggingasallīnaṁ establishedupaṭṭhitā mindfulnesssati lucidasammuṭṭhā. disturbedSāraddho andca butpana myme bodykāyo ishoti not·tranquilappaṭippassaddho by that veryteneva pain·strivingdukkhappadhānena of one stricken by strivingpadhānābhitunnassa being mindfulsato.
of such kind evenEvarūpāpi indeedkho myme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, arisenuppannā painfuldukkhā feelingvedanā mindcittaṁ notna around·occupypariyādāya remainstiṭṭhati.

Then it occurred to me, ‘Why don’t I keep practicing the breathless absorption?’ So I cut off my breathing through my mouth and nose and ears. But then strong winds carved up my belly, like a deft butcher or their apprentice was slicing my belly open with a sharp meat cleaver. My energy was roused up and unflagging, and my mindfulness was established and lucid, but my body was disturbed, not tranquil, because I’d pushed too hard with that painful striving. But even such painful feeling did not occupy my mind.

of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, this occurredetadahosi:
why don't I‘yannūnāhaṁ breathless onlyappāṇakaṁyeva absorptionjhānaṁ should practicejhāyeyyan’ti.
ISo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breaths and out-breathsassāsapassāse I cut offuparundhiṁ.
of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breaths and out-breathsassāsapassāsesu cut offuparuddhesu severeadhimatto in the bodykāyasmiṁ burningḍāho there ishoti.
just asSeyyathāpi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, twodve strongbalavanto menpurisā weakerdubbalataraṁ manpurisaṁ by the armsnānābāhāsu having grabbedgahetvā in a pit of glowing coalsaṅgārakāsuyā would burnsantāpeyyuṁ would scorchsamparitāpeyyuṁ;
just soevameva indeedkho to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, from the mouthmukhato andca from the nosenāsato andca from the earskaṇṇato andca in-breaths and out-breathsassāsapassāsesu cut offuparuddhesu severeadhimatto in the bodykāyasmiṁ burningḍāho there ishoti.
roused upĀraddhaṁ indeedkho butpana to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, energyvīriyaṁ there ishoti unflaggingasallīnaṁ establishedupaṭṭhitā mindfulnesssati unconfusedasammuṭṭhā. disturbedSāraddho andca butpana myme bodykāyo there ishoti not tranquilappaṭippassaddho by that veryteneva with painful strivingdukkhappadhānena of one overcome by strivingpadhānābhitunnassa mindfulsato.
even suchEvarūpāpi indeedkho to meme, Aggivessanaaggivessana, arisenuppannā painfuldukkhā feelingvedanā mindcittaṁ notna having taken possession ofpariyādāya remainstiṭṭhati.

Then it occurred to me, ‘Why don’t I keep practicing the breathless absorption?’ So I cut off my breathing through my mouth and nose and ears. But then there was a severe burning in my body, like two strong men grabbing a weaker man by the arms to burn and scorch him on a pit of glowing coals. My energy was roused up and unflagging, and my mindfulness was established and lucid, but my body was disturbed, not tranquil, because I’d pushed too hard with that painful striving. But even such painful feeling did not occupy my mind.

and indeed to meApissu memaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, deitiesdevatā having seendisvā spoke thusevamāhaṁsu:
dead‘kālaṅkato asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo’ti.
someEkaccā deitiesdevatā spoke thusevamāhaṁsu:
not‘na deadkālaṅkato asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo, butapi andca deathkālaṁ he makeskarotī’ti.
someEkaccā deitiesdevatā spoke thusevamāhaṁsu:
not‘na deadkālaṅkato asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo, and notnapi deathkālaṁ he makeskaroti, a perfected onearahaṁ asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo, dwellingvihāro indeed just thattveva thatso of a perfected onearahato suchevarūpo it ishotī’ti.

Then some deities saw me and said, ‘The ascetic Gotama is dead.’ Others said, ‘He’s not dead, but he’s dying.’ Others said, ‘He’s not dead or dying. The ascetic Gotama is a perfected one, for that is how the perfected ones live.’

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