With Bhaddāli · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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hereIdha
nowpana,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
some oneekacco
monkbhikkhu
a frequent offenderabhiṇhāpattiko
ishoti
with many offensesāpattibahulo.
heSo
by the monksbhikkhūhi
being admonishedvuccamāno
not with one thing and anothernāññenaññaṁ
does not dodge the issuepaṭicarati,
distracting the discussion with irrelevant pointsbahiddhā
discussionkathaṁ
notna
does not lead awayapanāmeti,
notna
annoyance andkopañca
hate anddosañca
bitterness andappaccayañca
does not displaypātukaroti,
properlysammā
proceedsvattati,
falls in linelomaṁ
he falls in linepāteti,
proceeds to get past itnetthāraṁ
proceedsvattati,
by which‘yena
Saṅghasaṅgho
pleasedattamano
ishoti
thattaṁ
I dokaromī’ti
saysāha.
in that caseTatra,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
of the monksbhikkhūnaṁ
thusevaṁ
ishoti:
this‘ayaṁ
indeedkho,
reverendsāvuso,
monkbhikkhu
a frequent offenderabhiṇhāpattiko
with many offensesāpattibahulo.
heSo
by the monksbhikkhūhi
being admonishedvuccamāno
not with one thing and anothernāññenaññaṁ
does not dodge the issuepaṭicarati,
distracting the discussion with irrelevant pointsbahiddhā
discussionkathaṁ
notna
does not lead awayapanāmeti,
notna
annoyance andkopañca
hate anddosañca
bitterness andappaccayañca
does not displaypātukaroti,
properlysammā
proceedsvattati,
falls in linelomaṁ
he falls in linepāteti,
proceeds to get past itnetthāraṁ
proceedsvattati,
by which“yena
Saṅghasaṅgho
pleasedattamano
ishoti
thattaṁ
I dokaromī”ti
saysāha.
goodSādhu
venerable sirsvatāyasmanto,
thisimassa
monkbhikkhuno
in such a waytathā
in such a waytathā
you should examineupaparikkhatha
that thisyathāssidaṁ
disciplinary issueadhikaraṇaṁ
quicklykhippameva
would be settledvūpasameyyā’ti.
of thatTassa
indeedkho
thusevaṁ,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
monkbhikkhuno
monksbhikkhū
in such a waytathā
in such a waytathā
examineupaparikkhanti
that thisyathāssidaṁ
disciplinary issueadhikaraṇaṁ
quicklykhippameva
is settledvūpasammati.
Take some other monk who is a frequent offender with many offenses. When admonished by the monks, he doesn’t dodge the issue, distracting the discussion with irrelevant points. He doesn’t display annoyance, hate, and bitterness. He proceeds properly, he falls in line, he proceeds to get past it, and he says: ‘I’ll do what pleases the Saṅgha.’ In such a case, the monks say: ‘Reverends, this monk is a frequent offender, with many offenses. When admonished by the monks, he doesn’t dodge the issue, distracting the discussion with irrelevant points. He doesn’t display annoyance, hate, and bitterness. He proceeds properly, he falls in line, he proceeds to get past it, and he says: “I’ll do what pleases the Saṅgha.” It’d be good for the venerables to examine this monk in such a way that this disciplinary issue is quickly settled.’ And that’s what they do.
hereIdha,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
someekacco
monkbhikkhu
an occasional offenderadhiccāpattiko
ishoti
without many offensesanāpattibahulo.
heSo
by the monksbhikkhūhi
being admonishedvuccamāno
the issueaññenaññaṁ
dodgespaṭicarati,
outsidebahiddhā
the talkkathaṁ
divertsapanāmeti,
and angerkopañca
and ill willdosañca
and discontentappaccayañca
revealspātukaroti,
notna
properlysammā
he behavesvattati,
notna
compliantlylomaṁ
he actspāteti,
notna
the settlementnetthāraṁ
he proceeds tovattati,
by which‘yena
the Saṅghasaṅgho
satisfiedattamano
ishoti
thattaṁ
I dokaromī’ti
he does not saynāha.
thereTatra,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
of the monksbhikkhūnaṁ
thusevaṁ
it ishoti:
this‘ayaṁ
indeedkho,
reverendsāvuso,
monkbhikkhu
an occasional offenderadhiccāpattiko
without many offensesanāpattibahulo.
heSo
by the monksbhikkhūhi
being admonishedvuccamāno
the issueaññenaññaṁ
dodgespaṭicarati,
outsidebahiddhā
the talkkathaṁ
divertsapanāmeti,
and angerkopañca
and ill willdosañca
and discontentappaccayañca
revealspātukaroti,
notna
properlysammā
he behavesvattati,
notna
compliantlylomaṁ
he actspāteti,
notna
the settlementnetthāraṁ
he proceeds tovattati,
by which“yena
the Saṅghasaṅgho
satisfiedattamano
ishoti
thattaṁ
I dokaromī”ti
he does not saynāha.
It would be goodSādhu
indeed, venerablesvatāyasmanto,
of thisimassa
monkbhikkhuno
in such a waytathā
in such a waytathā
you should examineupaparikkhatha
that thisyathāssidaṁ
disciplinary issueadhikaraṇaṁ
notna
quicklykhippameva
would be settledvūpasameyyā’ti.
of thatTassa
indeedkho
thusevaṁ,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
monkbhikkhuno
the monksbhikkhū
in such a waytathā
in such a waytathā
examineupaparikkhanti
that thisyathāssidaṁ
disciplinary issueadhikaraṇaṁ
notna
quicklykhippameva
is settledvūpasammati.
Take some other monk who is an occasional offender without many offenses. When admonished by the monks, he dodges the issue … In such a case, the monks say: ‘Reverends, this monk is an occasional offender without many offenses. When admonished by the monks, he dodges the issue … It’d be good for the venerables to examine this monk in such a way that this disciplinary issue is not quickly settled.’ And that’s what they do.
hereIdha
nowpana,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
some oneekacco
monkbhikkhu
occasional offenderadhiccāpattiko
ishoti
without many offensesanāpattibahulo.
heSo
by the monksbhikkhūhi
being admonishedvuccamāno
doesn’t dodge the issuenāññenaññaṁ
dodgespaṭicarati,
notna
outsidebahiddhā
talkkathaṁ
leads awayapanāmeti,
notna
anger andkopañca
ill-will anddosañca
displeasure andappaccayañca
revealspātukaroti,
properlysammā
behavesvattati,
bristlinglomaṁ
causespāteti,
redressnetthāraṁ
behavesvattati,
by which‘yena
the Saṅghasaṅgho
satisfiedattamano
ishoti
thattaṁ
I dokaromī’ti
saysāha.
in that caseTatra,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
of the monksbhikkhūnaṁ
thusevaṁ
occurshoti:
this‘ayaṁ
indeedkho,
reverendsāvuso,
monkbhikkhu
occasional offenderadhiccāpattiko
without many offensesanāpattibahulo.
heSo
by the monksbhikkhūhi
being admonishedvuccamāno
doesn’t dodge the issuenāññenaññaṁ
dodgespaṭicarati,
notna
outsidebahiddhā
talkkathaṁ
leads awayapanāmeti,
notna
anger andkopañca
ill-will anddosañca
displeasure andappaccayañca
revealspātukaroti,
properlysammā
behavesvattati,
bristlinglomaṁ
causespāteti,
redressnetthāraṁ
behavesvattati,
by which“yena
the Saṅghasaṅgho
satisfiedattamano
ishoti
thattaṁ
I dokaromī”ti
saysāha.
goodSādhu
venerablesvatāyasmanto,
of thisimassa
monkbhikkhuno
suchtathā
suchtathā
examineupaparikkhatha
so that thisyathāssidaṁ
disciplinary issueadhikaraṇaṁ
quicklykhippameva
would be settledvūpasameyyā’ti.
of thisTassa
indeedkho
thusevaṁ,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
monkbhikkhuno
the monksbhikkhū
suchtathā
suchtathā
examineupaparikkhanti
so that thisyathāssidaṁ
disciplinary issueadhikaraṇaṁ
quicklykhippameva
is settledvūpasammati.
Take some other monk who is an occasional offender without many offenses. When admonished by the monks, he doesn’t dodge the issue … In such a case, the monks say: ‘Reverends, this monk is an occasional offender without many offenses. When admonished by the monks, he doesn’t dodge the issue … It’d be good for the venerables to examine this monk in such a way that this disciplinary issue is quickly settled.’ And that’s what they do.
hereIdha,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
someekacco
monkbhikkhu
with mere faithsaddhāmattakena
gets byvahati
with mere fondnesspemamattakena.
thereTatra,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
of the monksbhikkhūnaṁ
thusevaṁ
it ishoti:
this‘ayaṁ
indeedkho,
reverendsāvuso,
monkbhikkhu
with mere faithsaddhāmattakena
gets byvahati
with mere fondnesspemamattakena.
ifSace
wemayaṁ
thisimaṁ
monkbhikkhuṁ
pressuringpasayha
pressuringpasayha
a punishmentkāraṇaṁ
we will dokarissāma—
do notmā
of hisyampissa
thattaṁ
mere faithsaddhāmattakaṁ
mere fondnesspemamattakaṁ
from thattamhāpi
let him loseparihāyī’ti.
Take some other monk who gets by with mere faith and fondness. In such a case, the monks say: ‘Reverends, this monk gets by with mere faith and fondness. Suppose we punish him, repeatedly pressuring him— no, let him not lose what little faith and fondness he has!’
supposeSeyyathāpi,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
of a personpurisassa
oneekaṁ
eyecakkhuṁ,
histassa
friends and colleaguesmittāmaccā
relatives and kinñātisālohitā
thattaṁ
oneekaṁ
eyecakkhuṁ
would protectrakkheyyuṁ:
let not‘mā
of himyampissa
thattaṁ
oneekaṁ
eyecakkhuṁ
and from thattamhāpi
should loseparihāyī’ti;
in the same wayevameva
indeedkho,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
here someidhekacco
monkbhikkhu
by mere faithsaddhāmattakena
gets byvahati
by mere fondnesspemamattakena.
in such a caseTatra,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
of the monksbhikkhūnaṁ
thusevaṁ
there ishoti:
this‘ayaṁ
indeedkho,
reverendsāvuso,
monkbhikkhu
by mere faithsaddhāmattakena
gets byvahati
by mere fondnesspemamattakena.
ifSace
wemayaṁ
thisimaṁ
monkbhikkhuṁ
pressuringpasayha
pressuringpasayha
actionkāraṇaṁ
we will dokarissāma—
let notmā
of himyampissa
thattaṁ
mere faithsaddhāmattakaṁ
mere fondnesspemamattakaṁ
and from thattamhāpi
should loseparihāyī’ti.
thisAyaṁ
indeedkho,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
causehetu
thisayaṁ
reasonpaccayo
by whichyena
here somemidhekaccaṁ
monkbhikkhuṁ
pressuringpasayha
pressuringpasayha
actionkāraṇaṁ
they dokaronti.
thisAyaṁ
butpana,
Bhaddālibhaddāli,
causehetu
thisayaṁ
reasonpaccayo,
by whichyena
here somemidhekaccaṁ
monkbhikkhuṁ
notno
similarlytathā
pressuringpasayha
pressuringpasayha
actionkāraṇaṁ
they dokarontī”ti.
Suppose there was a person with one eye. Their friends and colleagues, relatives and kin would protect that one eye: ‘Let them not lose the one eye that they have!’ In the same way, some monk gets by with mere faith and fondness. In such a case, the monks say: ‘Reverends, this monk gets by with mere faith and fondness. Suppose we punish him, repeatedly pressuring him— no, let him not lose what little faith and love he has!’ This is the cause, this is the reason why they punish some monk, repeatedly pressuring him. And this is the cause, this is the reason why they don’t similarly punish another monk, repeatedly pressuring him.”
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