Kīṭāgirisutta

Majjhima Nikāya 70

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exceptAññatra indeedkho but, reverends,panāvuso, you tootumhepi from night-eatingrattibhojanā eatingbhuñjamānā and healthappābādhatañca you will knowsañjānissatha and freedom from illnessappātaṅkatañca and nimblenesslahuṭṭhānañca and strengthbalañca and comfortable living.'phāsuvihārañcā’ti.
thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, indeedkira, mendicants,bhikkhave, youtumhe thosete mendicantsbhikkhū thusevaṁ did you say:avacuttha:
'we‘mayaṁ indeedkho but, reverends,panāvuso, in the eveningsāyañceva we eatbhuñjāma at daybreakpāto andca by daydivā andca at the wrong time.vikāle.
ThoseTe wemayaṁ in the eveningsāyañceva eatingbhuñjamānā at daybreakpāto andca by daydivā andca at the wrong timevikāle and healthappābādhatañca we knowsañjānāma and freedom from illnessappātaṅkatañca and nimblenesslahuṭṭhānañca and strengthbalañca and comfortable living.phāsuvihārañca.
ThoseTe wemayaṁ whykiṁ apparent in the presentsandiṭṭhikaṁ having given uphitvā what takes effect over timekālikaṁ will we chase after?anudhāvissāma?
In the eveningSāyañceva wemayaṁ will eatbhuñjissāma at daybreakpāto andca by daydivā andca at the wrong time.'"vikāle’”ti.
"Yes,“Evaṁ, sir."bhante”.
"What“Kiṁ indeednu by meme you,tumhe, mendicants,bhikkhave, thusevaṁ Dhammadhammaṁ taughtdesitaṁ have you understoodājānātha thatyaṁ whatever thiskiñcāyaṁ individualpurisapuggalo experiencespaṭisaṁvedeti pleasurablesukhaṁ orvā painfuldukkhaṁ orvā neutraladukkhamasukhaṁ orvā for that onetassa unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyanti skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā grow?"abhivaḍḍhantī”ti?
"No“No indeed that,hetaṁ, sir."bhante”.

Doing so, you’ll find that you’re healthy and well, nimble, strong, and living comfortably.’ When they said this, did you really say to them: ‘Reverends, we eat at dusk, at daybreak, and at the wrong time of day. Doing so, we find that we’re healthy and well, nimble, strong, and living comfortably. Why should we give up what is apparent in the present to chase after what takes effect over time? We shall eat at dusk, at daybreak, and at the wrong time of day.’” “Yes, sir.” “Mendicants, have you ever known me to teach the Dhamma like this: no matter what this individual experiences—pleasurable, painful, or neutral—their unskillful qualities decline and their skillful qualities grow?” “No, sir.”

“Haven’t you known me to teach the Dhamma like this: ‘When someone feels this kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline. But when someone feels that kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities decline and skillful qualities grow. When someone feels this kind of painful feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline. But when someone feels that kind of painful feeling, unskillful qualities decline and skillful qualities grow. When someone feels this kind of neutral feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline. But when someone feels that kind of neutral feeling, unskillful qualities decline and skillful qualities grow’?” “Yes, sir.”

good“Sādhu, monksbhikkhave.
by meMayā and thiscetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, unknownaññātaṁ would have beenabhavissa unseenadiṭṭhaṁ ununderstoodaviditaṁ unrealizedasacchikataṁ unexperiencedaphassitaṁ with wisdompaññāya:
for someone here‘idhekaccassa suchevarūpaṁ pleasantsukhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ feelingvedayato unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā growabhivaḍḍhanti skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyantī’ti,
thusevāhaṁ not knowingajānanto such‘evarūpaṁ pleasantsukhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ you should give uppajahathā’ti would I sayvadeyyaṁ; indeedapi thennu for meme thisetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, appropriatepatirūpaṁ would it have beenabhavissā”ti?
no“No indeed thishetaṁ, sirbhante”.
since“Yasmā andca indeedkho thisetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, by memayā knownñātaṁ seendiṭṭhaṁ understoodviditaṁ realizedsacchikataṁ experiencedphassitaṁ with wisdompaññāya:
for someone here‘idhekaccassa suchevarūpaṁ pleasantsukhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ feelingvedayato unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā growabhivaḍḍhanti skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyantī’ti, therefore Itasmāhaṁ such‘evarūpaṁ pleasantsukhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ you should give uppajahathā’ti I sayvadāmi.
by meMayā and thiscetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, unknownaññātaṁ would have beenabhavissa unseenadiṭṭhaṁ ununderstoodaviditaṁ unrealizedasacchikataṁ unexperiencedaphassitaṁ with wisdompaññāya:
for someone here‘idhekaccassa suchevarūpaṁ pleasantsukhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ feelingvedayato unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyanti skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā growabhivaḍḍhantī’ti, thusevāhaṁ not knowingajānanto such‘evarūpaṁ pleasantsukhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ having enteredupasampajja you should dwellviharathā’ti would I sayvadeyyaṁ;

“Good, mendicants! Now, suppose I hadn’t known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom: ‘When someone feels this kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline.’ Not knowing this, would it be appropriate for me to say: ‘You should give up this kind of pleasant feeling’?” “No, sir.” “But I have known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom: ‘When someone feels this kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline.’ Since this is so, that’s why I say: ‘You should give up this kind of pleasant feeling.’ Now, suppose I hadn’t known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom: ‘When someone feels that kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities decline and skillful qualities grow.’

would it beapi indeednu for meme thisetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, appropriatepatirūpaṁ it would have been?abhavissā”ti?
no“No indeed thishetaṁ, sirbhante”.
since“Yasmā andca indeedkho thisetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, by memayā knownñātaṁ seendiṭṭhaṁ understoodviditaṁ realizedsacchikataṁ experiencedphassitaṁ with wisdompaññāya:
here for someone‘idhekaccassa suchevarūpaṁ pleasantsukhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ for one feelingvedayato unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyanti, skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā growabhivaḍḍhantī’ti, therefore Itasmāhaṁ such‘evarūpaṁ pleasantsukhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ having enteredupasampajja you should remainviharathā’ti I sayvadāmi.
by meMayā and thiscetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, not knownaññātaṁ it would have beenabhavissa not seenadiṭṭhaṁ not understoodaviditaṁ not realizedasacchikataṁ not experiencedaphassitaṁ with wisdompaññāya:
here for someone‘idhekaccassa suchevarūpaṁ painfuldukkhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ for one feelingvedayato unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā growabhivaḍḍhanti skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyantī’ti, thus Ievāhaṁ not knowingajānanto such‘evarūpaṁ painfuldukkhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ you should give uppajahathā’ti I would sayvadeyyaṁ;
would it beapi indeednu for meme thisetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, appropriatepatirūpaṁ it would have been?abhavissā”ti?
no“No indeed thishetaṁ, sirbhante”.

Not knowing this, would it be appropriate for me to say: ‘You should enter and remain in that kind of pleasant feeling’?” “No, sir.” “But I have known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom: ‘When someone feels that kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities decline and skillful qualities grow.’ Since this is so, that’s why I say: ‘You should enter and remain in that kind of pleasant feeling.’ Now, suppose I hadn’t known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom: ‘When someone feels this kind of painful feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline.’ Not knowing this, would it be appropriate for me to say: ‘You should give up this kind of painful feeling’?” “No, sir.”

since“Yasmā andca indeedkho thisetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, by memayā knownñātaṁ seendiṭṭhaṁ understoodviditaṁ realizedsacchikataṁ experiencedphassitaṁ with wisdompaññāya:
for someone here‘idhekaccassa suchevarūpaṁ painfuldukkhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ feelingvedayato unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā growabhivaḍḍhanti skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyantī’ti, therefore Itasmāhaṁ such‘evarūpaṁ painfuldukkhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ give uppajahathā’ti I sayvadāmi.
by meMayā and thiscetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, not knownaññātaṁ had beenabhavissa not seenadiṭṭhaṁ not understoodaviditaṁ not realizedasacchikataṁ not experiencedaphassitaṁ with wisdompaññāya:
for someone here‘idhekaccassa suchevarūpaṁ painfuldukkhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ feelingvedayato unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyanti skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā growabhivaḍḍhantī’ti, thus Ievāhaṁ not knowingajānanto such‘evarūpaṁ painfuldukkhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ having enteredupasampajja remainviharathā’ti should I sayvadeyyaṁ;
indeedapi thennu for meme thisetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, appropriatepatirūpaṁ it would beabhavissā”ti?
no“No indeed thishetaṁ, sirbhante”.
since“Yasmā andca indeedkho thisetaṁ, monksbhikkhave, by memayā knownñātaṁ seendiṭṭhaṁ understoodviditaṁ realizedsacchikataṁ experiencedphassitaṁ with wisdompaññāya:
for someone here‘idhekaccassa suchevarūpaṁ painfuldukkhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ feelingvedayato unskillfulakusalā qualitiesdhammā declineparihāyanti skillfulkusalā qualitiesdhammā growabhivaḍḍhantī’ti, therefore Itasmāhaṁ such‘evarūpaṁ painfuldukkhaṁ feelingvedanaṁ having enteredupasampajja remainviharathā’ti I sayvadāmi.

“But I have known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom: ‘When someone feels this kind of painful feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline.’ Since this is so, that’s why I say: ‘You should give up this kind of painful feeling.’ Now, suppose I hadn’t known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom: ‘When someone feels that kind of painful feeling, unskillful qualities decline and skillful qualities grow.’ Not knowing this, would it be appropriate for me to say: ‘You should enter and remain in that kind of painful feeling’?” “No, sir.” “But I have known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom: ‘When someone feels that kind of painful feeling, unskillful qualities decline and skillful qualities grow.’ Since this is so, that’s why I say: ‘You should enter and remain in that kind of painful feeling.’

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