Aggivacchasutta

Majjhima Nikāya 72

With Vacchagotta on Fire · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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anantavā loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
‘Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, taṁ jīvaṁ taṁ sarīraṁ, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—
taṁ jīvaṁ taṁ sarīraṁ, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
‘Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, aññaṁ jīvaṁ aññaṁ sarīraṁ, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—
aññaṁ jīvaṁ aññaṁ sarīraṁ, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
‘Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—
hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.

“The world is boundless; this alone is true, anything else is false,” you assert. “What then, sir Gotama, is that the living principle and that the body: this alone is true, anything else is false—is the revered Gotama of such a view?” Thus asked, he said: “No indeed, Vaccha, I am not of such a view: that the living principle and that the body—this alone is true, anything else is false.” “What then, sir Gotama, is the living principle one thing and the body another: this alone is true, anything else is false—is the revered Gotama of such a view?” Thus asked, he said: “No indeed, Vaccha, I am not of such a view: the living principle one thing and the body another—this alone is true, anything else is false.” “What then, sir Gotama, does the Tathāgata exist after death: this alone is true, anything else is false—is the revered Gotama of such a view?” Thus asked, he said: “No indeed, Vaccha, I am not of such a view: the Tathāgata exists after death—this alone is true, anything else is false.”

‘Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—
na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
‘Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—
hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
‘Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—

“What then, Master Gotama, is the Tathāgata not after death, is this alone true and all else false? Is Master Gotama of such a view?” When asked thus, he says: “No indeed, Vaccha, I am not of such a view: the Tathāgata is not after death, this alone is true and all else is false.” “What then, Master Gotama, is the Tathāgata both is and is not after death, is this alone true and all else false? Is Master Gotama of such a view?” When asked thus, he says: “No indeed, Vaccha, I am not of such a view: the Tathāgata both is and is not after death, this alone is true and all else is false.” “What then, Master Gotama, is the Tathāgata neither is nor is not after death, is this alone true and all else false? Is Master Gotama of such a view?” When asked thus, he says: “No indeed, Vaccha, I am not of such a view.”

neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
Kiṁ pana bho gotamo ādīnavaṁ sampassamāno evaṁ imāni sabbaso diṭṭhigatāni anupagato”ti?

Seeing what drawback do you avoid all these convictions?”

“Each of these ten convictions is the thicket of views, the desert of views, the twist of views, the dodge of views, the fetter of views. They’re beset with suffering, distress, anguish, and fever. They don’t lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment.

‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’ti kho, vaccha, diṭṭhigatametaṁ diṭṭhigahanaṁ diṭṭhikantāro diṭṭhivisūkaṁ diṭṭhivipphanditaṁ diṭṭhisaṁyojanaṁ sadukkhaṁ savighātaṁ saupāyāsaṁ sapariḷāhaṁ, na nibbidāya na virāgāya na nirodhāya na upasamāya na abhiññāya na sambodhāya na nibbānāya saṁvattati.
Imaṁ kho ahaṁ, vaccha, ādīnavaṁ sampassamāno evaṁ imāni sabbaso diṭṭhigatāni anupagato”ti.

Seeing this drawback I avoid all these convictions.”

“Atthi pana bhoto gotamassa kiñci diṭṭhigatan”ti?
“Diṭṭhigatanti kho, vaccha, apanītametaṁ tathāgatassa.
Diṭṭhañhetaṁ, vaccha, tathāgatena:
‘iti rūpaṁ, iti rūpassa samudayo, iti rūpassa atthaṅgamo;
iti vedanā, iti vedanāya samudayo, iti vedanāya atthaṅgamo;
iti saññā, iti saññāya samudayo, iti saññāya atthaṅgamo;
iti saṅkhārā, iti saṅkhārānaṁ samudayo, iti saṅkhārānaṁ atthaṅgamo;
iti viññāṇaṁ, iti viññāṇassa samudayo, iti viññāṇassa atthaṅgamo’ti.
Tasmā tathāgato sabbamaññitānaṁ sabbamathitānaṁ sabbaahaṅkāramamaṅkāramānānusayānaṁ khayā virāgā nirodhā cāgā paṭinissaggā anupādā vimuttoti vadāmī”ti.

“But does the worthy Gotama have any convictions at all?” “A realized one has done away with convictions. For a realized one has seen: ‘Such is form, such is the origin of form, such is the disappearance of form. Such is feeling, such is the origin of feeling, such is the disappearance of feeling. Such is perception, such is the origin of perception, such is the disappearance of perception. Such are choices, such is the origin of choices, such is the disappearance of choices. Such is consciousness, such is the origin of consciousness, such is the disappearance of consciousness.’ That’s why a Realized One is freed by not grasping with the ending, fading away, cessation, giving up, and letting go of all conceiving, all churning, and all I-making, mine-making, or underlying tendency to conceit, I say.”

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