Mahāvacchasutta

Majjhima Nikāya 73

The Longer Discourse With Vacchagotta · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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let stand“Tiṭṭhatu worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo, let standtiṭṭhantu monksbhikkhū, let standtiṭṭhantu nunsbhikkhuniyo, let standtiṭṭhantu laymenupāsakā householdersgihī white-clothedodātavasanā chastebrahmacārino, let standtiṭṭhantu laymenupāsakā householdersgihī white-clothedodātavasanā enjoying sensual pleasureskāmabhogino.
is thereAtthi thenpana worthybhoto Gotama'sgotamassa even a single laywoman discipleekupāsikāpi disciplesāvikā laywomangihinī white-clothedodātavasanā holy·livingbrahmacārinī whoyā of the fivepañcannaṁ below·pertainingorambhāgiyānaṁ together·bindsaṁyojanānaṁ all around·destroyparikkhayā spontaneously rebornopapātikā theretattha all around·extinguishparinibbāyinī not·return·liableanāvattidhammā from thattasmā world?lokā”ti?
not“Na indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, one·justekaṁyeva hundredsataṁ notna twodve hundredssatāni notna threetīṇi hundredssatāni notna fourcattāri hundredssatāni notna fivepañca hundredssatāni, butatha indeedkho more·indeedbhiyyova whoyā laywomenupāsikā mymama disciplessāvikā laywomengihiniyo white-clothedodātavasanā holy·livingbrahmacāriniyo of the fivepañcannaṁ below·pertainingorambhāgiyānaṁ together·bindsaṁyojanānaṁ all around·destroyparikkhayā spontaneously rebornopapātikā theretattha all around·extinguishparinibbāyiniyo not·return·liableanāvattidhammā from thattasmā world.lokā”ti.

“Leaving aside Worthy Gotama, the monks, the nuns, the chaste laymen, and the laymen enjoying sensual pleasures, is there even a single laywoman disciple of Worthy Gotama—white-clothed and chaste—who, with the ending of the five lower fetters, is reborn spontaneously, to be extinguished there, not liable to return from that world?” “There are not just one hundred such chaste laywomen who are my disciples, Vaccha, or two or three or four or five hundred, but many more than that.”

let stand“Tiṭṭhatu worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo, let standtiṭṭhantu monksbhikkhū, let standtiṭṭhantu nunsbhikkhuniyo, let standtiṭṭhantu laymenupāsakā householdersgihī white·clothedodātavasanā chastebrahmacārino, let standtiṭṭhantu laymenupāsakā householdersgihī white·clothedodātavasanā enjoying sensual pleasureskāmabhogino, let standtiṭṭhantu laywomenupāsikā householdersgihiniyo white·clothedodātavasanā chastebrahmacāriniyo.
is thereAtthi thenpana worthybhoto of Gotamagotamassa one·laywoman·evenekupāsikāpi disciplesāvikā householdergihinī white·clothedodātavasanā sensual-pleasure·enjoyingkāmabhoginī instruction·doingsāsanakarā advice·respondingovādappaṭikarā whoyā crossed·doubttiṇṇavicikicchā gone·indecisionvigatakathaṅkathā self-assurance·attainedvesārajjappattā not·other·dependentaparappaccayā Teacher·instructionsatthusāsane livesviharatī”ti?
not“Na indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, one·justekaṁyeva hundredsataṁ notna twodve hundredssatāni notna threetīṇi hundredssatāni notna fourcattāri hundredssatāni notna fivepañca hundredssatāni, butatha indeedkho more·thanbhiyyova whoyā laywomenupāsikā mymama disciplessāvikā householdersgihiniyo white·clothedodātavasanā sensual-pleasure·enjoyingkāmabhoginiyo instruction·doingsāsanakarā advice·respondingovādappaṭikarā crossed·doubttiṇṇavicikicchā gone·indecisionvigatakathaṅkathā self-assurance·attainedvesārajjappattā not·other·dependentaparappaccayā Teacher·instructionsatthusāsane liveviharantī”ti.

“Leaving aside Worthy Gotama, the monks, the nuns, the chaste laymen, the laymen enjoying sensual pleasures, and the chaste laywomen, is there even a single laywoman disciple of the worthy Gotama—white-clothed, enjoying sensual pleasures, following instructions, and responding to advice—who has gone beyond doubt, got rid of indecision, and lives self-assured and independent of others regarding the Teacher’s instruction?” “There are not just one hundred such laywomen enjoying sensual pleasures who are my disciples, Vaccha, or two or three or four or five hundred, but many more than that.”

if“Sace indeedhi, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ worthy + alonebhavaṁyeva Gotamagotamo one who has succeededārādhako would have beenabhavissa, notno andca indeedkho monksbhikkhū ones who have succeededārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu;
thus + thisevamidaṁ holy·conductbrahmacariyaṁ not·fully·fullaparipūraṁ past·beabhavissa in that respecttenaṅgena.
becauseYasmā andca indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ worthy + toobhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who has succeededārādhako monksbhikkhū andca ones who have succeededārādhakā;
thus + thisevamidaṁ holy·conductbrahmacariyaṁ fully·fullparipūraṁ in that respecttenaṅgena.
ifSace indeedhi, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ worthy + toobhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who has succeededārādhako would have beenabhavissa, monksbhikkhū andca ones who have succeededārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, notno andca indeedkho nunsbhikkhuniyo ones who have succeededārādhikā would have beenabhavissaṁsu;
thus + thisevamidaṁ holy·conductbrahmacariyaṁ not·fully·fullaparipūraṁ past·beabhavissa in that respecttenaṅgena.
becauseYasmā andca indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ worthy + toobhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who has succeededārādhako, monksbhikkhū andca ones who have succeededārādhakā, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca ones who have succeededārādhikā;
thus + thisevamidaṁ holy·conductbrahmacariyaṁ fully·fullparipūraṁ in that respecttenaṅgena.

“If the worthy Gotama was the only one to succeed in this teaching, not any monks, then this spiritual path would be incomplete in that respect. But because both the worthy Gotama and monks have succeeded in this teaching, this spiritual path is complete in that respect. If the worthy Gotama and the monks were the only ones to succeed in this teaching, not any nuns …

chaste laymen … laymen enjoying sensual pleasures …

sinceYasmā andca indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ reverend + himself·andbhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who has attainedārādhako, monksbhikkhū andca ones who have attainedārādhakā, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca ones who have attainedārādhikā, male lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clad in whiteodātavasanā celibatebrahmacārino ones who have attainedārādhakā, male lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clad in whiteodātavasanā enjoyers of sensual pleasureskāmabhogino ones who have attainedārādhakā;
thus·thisevamidaṁ holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ around·fillparipūraṁ in that respecttenaṅgena.
ifSace indeedhi, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ reverend + himself·andbhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who attainedārādhako would have beenabhavissa, monksbhikkhū andca to·accomplishārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca to·accomplishārādhikā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, male lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clad in whiteodātavasanā celibatebrahmacārino to·accomplishārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, male lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clad in whiteodātavasanā enjoyers of sensual pleasureskāmabhogino to·accomplishārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, notno butca indeedkho female lay followersupāsikā laywomengihiniyo clad in whiteodātavasanā celibatebrahmacāriniyo to·accomplishārādhikā would have beenabhavissaṁsu;
thus·thisevamidaṁ holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ not·around·fillaparipūraṁ be·wouldabhavissa in that respecttenaṅgena.

chaste laywomen …

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