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Majjhima Nikāya 73

Mahāvacchasutta

The Longer Discourse With Vacchagotta · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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let stand“Tiṭṭhatu worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo, let standtiṭṭhantu monksbhikkhū, let standtiṭṭhantu nunsbhikkhuniyo, let standtiṭṭhantu laymenupāsakā householdersgihī white-clothedodātavasanā chastebrahmacārino, let standtiṭṭhantu laymenupāsakā householdersgihī white-clothedodātavasanā enjoying sensual pleasureskāmabhogino.
is thereAtthi thenpana worthybhoto Gotama'sgotamassa even a single laywoman discipleekupāsikāpi disciplesāvikā laywomangihinī white-clothedodātavasanā chastebrahmacārinī whoyā of the fivepañcannaṁ lowerorambhāgiyānaṁ fetterssaṁyojanānaṁ with the endingparikkhayā spontaneously rebornopapātikā theretattha to be extinguishedparinibbāyinī not liable to returnanāvattidhammā from thattasmā world?lokā”ti?
not“Na indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, just one hundredekaṁyeva hundredsataṁ notna twodve hundredssatāni notna threetīṇi hundredssatāni notna fourcattāri hundredssatāni notna fivepañca hundredssatāni, butatha indeedkho many morebhiyyova whoyā laywomenupāsikā mymama disciplessāvikā laywomengihiniyo white-clothedodātavasanā chastebrahmacāriniyo of the fivepañcannaṁ lowerorambhāgiyānaṁ fetterssaṁyojanānaṁ with the endingparikkhayā spontaneously rebornopapātikā theretattha to be extinguishedparinibbāyiniyo not liable to returnanāvattidhammā from thattasmā world.lokā”ti.

“Leaving aside Worthy Gotama, the monks, the nuns, the chaste laymen, and the laymen enjoying sensual pleasures, is there even a single laywoman disciple of Worthy Gotama—white-clothed and chaste—who, with the ending of the five lower fetters, is reborn spontaneously, to be extinguished there, not liable to return from that world?” “There are not just one hundred such chaste laywomen who are my disciples, Vaccha, or two or three or four or five hundred, but many more than that.”

let stand“Tiṭṭhatu worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo, let standtiṭṭhantu monksbhikkhū, let standtiṭṭhantu nunsbhikkhuniyo, let standtiṭṭhantu laymenupāsakā householdersgihī white-clothedodātavasanā chastebrahmacārino, let standtiṭṭhantu laymenupāsakā householdersgihī white-clothedodātavasanā enjoying sensual pleasureskāmabhogino, let standtiṭṭhantu laywomenupāsikā householdersgihiniyo white-clothedodātavasanā chastebrahmacāriniyo.
is thereAtthi thenpana worthybhoto of Gotamagotamassa even a single laywomanekupāsikāpi disciplesāvikā householdergihinī white-clothedodātavasanā enjoying sensual pleasureskāmabhoginī following instructionssāsanakarā responding to adviceovādappaṭikarā whoyā gone beyond doubttiṇṇavicikicchā got rid of indecisionvigatakathaṅkathā attained self-assurancevesārajjappattā independent of othersaparappaccayā in the Teacher’s instructionsatthusāsane livesviharatī”ti?
not“Na indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, just oneekaṁyeva hundredsataṁ notna twodve hundredssatāni notna threetīṇi hundredssatāni notna fourcattāri hundredssatāni notna fivepañca hundredssatāni, butatha indeedkho morebhiyyova whoyā laywomenupāsikā mymama disciplessāvikā householdersgihiniyo white-clothedodātavasanā enjoying sensual pleasureskāmabhoginiyo following instructionssāsanakarā responding to adviceovādappaṭikarā gone beyond doubttiṇṇavicikicchā got rid of indecisionvigatakathaṅkathā attained self-assurancevesārajjappattā independent of othersaparappaccayā in the Teacher’s instructionsatthusāsane liveviharantī”ti.

“Leaving aside Worthy Gotama, the monks, the nuns, the chaste laymen, the laymen enjoying sensual pleasures, and the chaste laywomen, is there even a single laywoman disciple of the worthy Gotama—white-clothed, enjoying sensual pleasures, following instructions, and responding to advice—who has gone beyond doubt, got rid of indecision, and lives self-assured and independent of others regarding the Teacher’s instruction?” “There are not just one hundred such laywomen enjoying sensual pleasures who are my disciples, Vaccha, or two or three or four or five hundred, but many more than that.”

if“Sace indeedhi, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the worthy one alonebhavaṁyeva Gotamagotamo one who has succeededārādhako would have beenabhavissa, notno andca indeedkho monksbhikkhū ones who have succeededārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu;
thus thisevamidaṁ spiritual pathbrahmacariyaṁ incompleteaparipūraṁ would have beenabhavissa in that respecttenaṅgena.
becauseYasmā andca indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the worthy one toobhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who has succeededārādhako monksbhikkhū andca ones who have succeededārādhakā;
thus thisevamidaṁ spiritual pathbrahmacariyaṁ completeparipūraṁ in that respecttenaṅgena.
ifSace indeedhi, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the worthy one toobhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who has succeededārādhako would have beenabhavissa, monksbhikkhū andca ones who have succeededārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, notno andca indeedkho nunsbhikkhuniyo ones who have succeededārādhikā would have beenabhavissaṁsu;
thus thisevamidaṁ spiritual pathbrahmacariyaṁ incompleteaparipūraṁ would have beenabhavissa in that respecttenaṅgena.
becauseYasmā andca indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the worthy one toobhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who has succeededārādhako, monksbhikkhū andca ones who have succeededārādhakā, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca ones who have succeededārādhikā;
thus thisevamidaṁ spiritual pathbrahmacariyaṁ completeparipūraṁ in that respecttenaṅgena.

“If the worthy Gotama was the only one to succeed in this teaching, not any monks, then this spiritual path would be incomplete in that respect. But because both the worthy Gotama and monks have succeeded in this teaching, this spiritual path is complete in that respect. If the worthy Gotama and the monks were the only ones to succeed in this teaching, not any nuns …

ifSace indeedhi, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the venerable Gotama himselfbhavañceva Gotamagotamo attainerārādhako would have beenabhavissa, monksbhikkhū andca attainersārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca attainersārādhikā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, notno butca indeedkho lay followersupāsakā laymengihī clothed in whiteodātavasanā chastebrahmacārino attainersārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu;
thus thisevamidaṁ holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ incompleteaparipūraṁ would have beenabhavissa in that respecttenaṅgena.
sinceYasmā andca indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the venerable Gotama himselfbhavañceva Gotamagotamo attainerārādhako, monksbhikkhū andca attainersārādhakā, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca attainersārādhikā, lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clothed in whiteodātavasanā chastebrahmacārino attainersārādhakā;
thus thisevamidaṁ holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ completeparipūraṁ in that respecttenaṅgena.
ifSace indeedhi, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the venerable Gotama himselfbhavañceva Gotamagotamo attainerārādhako would have beenabhavissa, monksbhikkhū andca attainersārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca attainersārādhikā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clothed in whiteodātavasanā chastebrahmacārino attainersārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, notno butca indeedkho lay followersupāsakā laymengihī clothed in whiteodātavasanā enjoying sensual pleasureskāmabhogino attainersārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu;
thus thisevamidaṁ holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ incompleteaparipūraṁ would have beenabhavissa in that respecttenaṅgena.

chaste laymen … laymen enjoying sensual pleasures …

sinceYasmā andca indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the reverend Gotama himselfbhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who has attainedārādhako, monksbhikkhū andca ones who have attainedārādhakā, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca ones who have attainedārādhikā, male lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clad in whiteodātavasanā celibatebrahmacārino ones who have attainedārādhakā, male lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clad in whiteodātavasanā enjoyers of sensual pleasureskāmabhogino ones who have attainedārādhakā;
thus thisevamidaṁ holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ completeparipūraṁ in that respecttenaṅgena.
ifSace indeedhi, sirbho Gotamagotama, thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ the reverend Gotama himselfbhavañceva Gotamagotamo one who attainedārādhako would have beenabhavissa, monksbhikkhū andca ones who attainedārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, nunsbhikkhuniyo andca ones who attainedārādhikā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, male lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clad in whiteodātavasanā celibatebrahmacārino ones who attainedārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, male lay followersupāsakā andca laymengihī clad in whiteodātavasanā enjoyers of sensual pleasureskāmabhogino ones who attainedārādhakā would have beenabhavissaṁsu, notno butca indeedkho female lay followersupāsikā laywomengihiniyo clad in whiteodātavasanā celibatebrahmacāriniyo ones who attainedārādhikā would have beenabhavissaṁsu;
thus thisevamidaṁ holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ incompleteaparipūraṁ would have beenabhavissa in that respecttenaṅgena.

chaste laywomen …

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