With Sandaka · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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Bāle ca paṇḍite ca kāyassa bhedā ucchijjanti vinassanti na honti paraṁ maraṇā’ti.
Both the foolish and the astute are annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and they don’t exist after death.’
Tatra,
sandaka,
viññū
puriso
iti
paṭisañcikkhati:
‘ayaṁ
kho
bhavaṁ
satthā
evaṁvādī
evaṁdiṭṭhi—
natthi
dinnaṁ,
natthi
yiṭṭhaṁ,
natthi
hutaṁ,
natthi
sukatadukkaṭānaṁ
kammānaṁ
phalaṁ
vipāko,
natthi
ayaṁ
loko,
natthi
paroloko,
natthi
mātā,
natthi
pitā,
natthi
sattā
opapātikā,
natthi
loke
samaṇabrāhmaṇā
sammaggatā
sammāpaṭipannā
ye
imañca
lokaṁ
parañca
lokaṁ
sayaṁ
abhiññā
sacchikatvā
pavedenti.
Cātumahābhūtiko
ayaṁ
puriso
yadā
kālaṁ
karoti,
pathavī
pathavīkāyaṁ
anupeti
anupagacchati,
āpo
āpokāyaṁ
anupeti
anupagacchati,
tejo
tejokāyaṁ
anupeti
anupagacchati,
vāyo
vāyokāyaṁ
anupeti
anupagacchati,
ākāsaṁ
indriyāni
saṅkamanti.
Āsandipañcamā
purisā
mataṁ
ādāya
gacchanti,
yāvāḷāhanā
padāni
paññāyanti.
Kāpotakāni
aṭṭhīni
bhavanti.
Bhassantā
āhutiyo;
dattupaññattaṁ
yadidaṁ
dānaṁ.
Tesaṁ
tucchā
musā
vilāpo
ye
keci
atthikavādaṁ
vadanti.
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way: ‘This teacher has such a doctrine and view.
Bāle
ca
paṇḍite
ca
kāyassa
bhedā
ucchijjanti
vinassanti
na
honti
paraṁ
maraṇā’ti.
Sace
imassa
bhoto
satthuno
saccaṁ
vacanaṁ,
akatena
me
ettha
kataṁ,
avusitena
me
ettha
vusitaṁ.
Ubhopi
mayaṁ
ettha
samasamā
sāmaññaṁ
pattā,
yo
cāhaṁ
na
vadāmi
‘ubho
kāyassa
bhedā
ucchijjissāma,
vinassissāma,
na
bhavissāma
paraṁ
maraṇā’ti.
Atirekaṁ
kho
panimassa
bhoto
satthuno
naggiyaṁ
muṇḍiyaṁ
ukkuṭikappadhānaṁ
kesamassulocanaṁ,
yohaṁ
puttasambādhasayanaṁ
ajjhāvasanto
kāsikacandanaṁ
paccanubhonto
mālāgandhavilepanaṁ
dhārento
jātarūparajataṁ
sādiyanto
iminā
bhotā
satthārā
samasamagatiko
bhavissāmi
abhisamparāyaṁ.
Sohaṁ
kiṁ
jānanto
kiṁ
passanto
imasmiṁ
satthari
brahmacariyaṁ
carissāmi?
‘So
abrahmacariyavāso
ayan’ti—
iti
viditvā
tasmā
brahmacariyā
nibbijja
pakkamati.
If what that teacher says is true, both I who have not accomplished this and one who has accomplished it have attained exactly the same level. Yet I’m not one who says that both of us are annihilated and destroyed when our body breaks up, and we don’t exist after death. But it’s superfluous for this teacher to go nude, bald, persisting in squatting, tearing out their hair and beard. For I’m living at home with my children, using sandalwood imported from Kāsi, wearing garlands, fragrance, and makeup, and accepting gold and currency. Yet I’ll have exactly the same destiny in the next life as this teacher. What do I know or see that I should lead the spiritual life under this teacher? This negates the spiritual life.’ Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
Ayaṁ kho, sandaka, tena bhagavatā jānatā passatā arahatā sammāsambuddhena paṭhamo abrahmacariyavāso akkhāto yattha viññū puriso sasakkaṁ brahmacariyaṁ na vaseyya, vasanto ca nārādheyya ñāyaṁ dhammaṁ kusalaṁ.
This is the first way that negates the spiritual life.
Puna
caparaṁ,
sandaka,
idhekacco
satthā
evaṁvādī
hoti
evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘karoto
kārayato
chindato
chedāpayato
pacato
pācāpayato
socayato
socāpayato
kilamato
kilamāpayato
phandato
phandāpayato
pāṇamatipātayato
adinnaṁ
ādiyato
sandhiṁ
chindato
nillopaṁ
harato
ekāgārikaṁ
karoto
paripanthe
tiṭṭhato
paradāraṁ
gacchato
musā
bhaṇato
karoto
na
karīyati
pāpaṁ.
Khurapariyantena
cepi
cakkena
yo
imissā
pathaviyā
pāṇe
ekaṁ
maṁsakhalaṁ
ekaṁ
maṁsapuñjaṁ
kareyya,
natthi
tatonidānaṁ
pāpaṁ,
natthi
pāpassa
āgamo.
Dakkhiṇañcepi
gaṅgāya
tīraṁ
gaccheyya
hananto
ghātento
chindanto
chedāpento
pacanto
pacāpento,
natthi
tatonidānaṁ
pāpaṁ,
natthi
pāpassa
āgamo.
Uttarañcepi
gaṅgāya
tīraṁ
gaccheyya
dadanto
dāpento
yajanto
yajāpento,
natthi
tatonidānaṁ
puññaṁ,
natthi
puññassa
āgamo.
Dānena
damena
saṁyamena
saccavajjena
natthi
puññaṁ,
natthi
puññassa
āgamo’ti.
Furthermore, take a certain teacher who has this doctrine and view: ‘The one who acts does nothing wrong when they punish, mutilate, torture, aggrieve, oppress, intimidate, or when they encourage others to do the same. Nothing bad is done when they kill, steal, break into houses, plunder wealth, steal from isolated buildings, commit highway robbery, commit adultery, and lie. If you were to reduce all the living creatures of this earth to one heap and mass of flesh with a razor-edged chakram, no evil comes of that, and no outcome of evil. If you were to go along the south bank of the Ganges killing, mutilating, and torturing, and encouraging others to do the same, no evil comes of that, and no outcome of evil. If you were to go along the north bank of the Ganges giving and sacrificing and encouraging others to do the same, no merit comes of that, and no outcome of merit. In giving, self-control, restraint, and truthfulness there is no merit or outcome of merit.’
Tatra,
sandaka,
viññū
puriso
iti
paṭisañcikkhati:
‘ayaṁ
kho
bhavaṁ
satthā
evaṁvādī
evaṁdiṭṭhi—
karoto
kārayato
chindato
chedāpayato
pacato
pācāpayato
socato
socāpayato
kilamato
kilamāpayato
phandato
phandāpayato
pāṇamatipātayato
adinnaṁ
ādiyato
sandhiṁ
chindato
nillopaṁ
harato
ekāgārikaṁ
karoto
paripanthe
tiṭṭhato
paradāraṁ
gacchato
musā
bhaṇato
karoto
na
karīyati
pāpaṁ
khurapariyantena
cepi
cakkena
yo
imissā
pathaviyā
pāṇe
ekaṁ
maṁsakhalaṁ
ekaṁ
maṁsapuñjaṁ
kareyya,
natthi
tatonidānaṁ
pāpaṁ,
natthi
pāpassa
āgamo.
Dakkhiṇañcepi
gaṅgāya
tīraṁ
gaccheyya
hananto
ghātento
chindanto
chedāpento
pacanto
pacāpento,
natthi
tatonidānaṁ
pāpaṁ,
natthi
pāpassa
āgamo.
Uttarañcepi
gaṅgāya
tīraṁ
gaccheyya
dadanto
dāpento
yajanto
yajāpento,
natthi
tatonidānaṁ
puññaṁ,
natthi
puññassa
āgamo.
Dānena
damena
saṁyamena
saccavajjena
natthi
puññaṁ,
natthi
puññassa
āgamo’ti.
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way: ‘This teacher has such a doctrine and view.
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