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Majjhima Nikāya 80

Vekhanasasutta

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that“Taṁ whatkiṁ you thinkmaññasi, Kaccānakaccāna,
whichyo orvā in the dark of nightrattandhakāratimisāya a great mass of firemahāaggikkhandho, whichyā orvā at nightrattiyā at the crack of dawnpaccūsasamayaṁ in the clearviddhe free-from·cloudvigatavalāhake in the heavensdeve the morning starosadhitārakā, of theseimesaṁ of bothubhinnaṁ of splendorsvaṇṇānaṁ whichkatamo splendorvaṇṇo finerabhikkantataro andca more excellentpaṇītataro and?'cā”ti?
that which“Yvāyaṁ, sirbho Gotamagotama, at nightrattiyā at the crack of dawnpaccūsasamayaṁ in the clearviddhe free-from·cloudvigatavalāhake in the heavensdeve the morning starosadhitārakā, thisayaṁ of theseimesaṁ of bothubhinnaṁ of splendorsvaṇṇānaṁ finerabhikkantataro andca more excellentpaṇītataro and.'cā”ti.

that“Taṁ whatkiṁ you thinkmaññasi, Kaccānakaccāna,
whichyā orvā of the nightrattiyā at the time of dawnpaccūsasamayaṁ in the clearviddhe gone·cloud·cloudvigatavalāhake in the heavensdeve the morning starosadhitārakā, whichyo orvā that day·sabbathtadahuposathe on the fifteenthpannarase in the clearviddhe gone·cloud·cloudvigatavalāhake in the heavensdeve at midnightabhido at the time of midnightaḍḍharattasamayaṁ the mooncando, of theseimesaṁ of bothubhinnaṁ of the splendorsvaṇṇānaṁ whichkatamo splendorvaṇṇo more exquisiteabhikkantataro andca more excellentpaṇītataro andcā”ti?
that which“Yvāyaṁ, sirbho Gotamagotama, that day·sabbathtadahuposathe on the fifteenthpannarase in the clearviddhe gone·cloud·cloudvigatavalāhake in the heavensdeve at midnightabhido at the time of midnightaḍḍharattasamayaṁ the mooncando, thisayaṁ of theseimesaṁ of bothubhinnaṁ of the splendorsvaṇṇānaṁ more exquisiteabhikkantataro andca more excellentpaṇītataro andcā”ti.

that“Taṁ what?kiṁ you thinkmaññasi, Kaccānakaccāna,
whichyo orvā that·day·sabbathtadahuposathe on the fifteenthpannarase clearviddhe free from·cloudvigatavalāhake in the heavensdeve at midnightabhido half·night·timeaḍḍharattasamayaṁ the mooncando, whichyo orvā of the rainy seasonvassānaṁ in the lastpacchime monthmāse autumn·timesaradasamaye clearviddhe free from·cloudvigatavalāhake in the heavensdeve at middayabhido midday·timemajjhanhikasamayaṁ the sunsūriyo, of theseimesaṁ of the twoubhinnaṁ of splendorsvaṇṇānaṁ whichkatamo splendorvaṇṇo finerabhikkantataro andca more excellentpaṇītataro and?"cā”ti?
that which“Yvāyaṁ, sirbho Gotamagotama, of the rainy seasonvassānaṁ in the lastpacchime monthmāse autumn·timesaradasamaye clearviddhe free from·cloudvigatavalāhake in the heavensdeve at middayabhido midday·timemajjhanhikasamayaṁ the sun—thissūriyo—ayaṁ of theseimesaṁ of the twoubhinnaṁ of splendorsvaṇṇānaṁ finerabhikkantataro andca more excellentpaṇītataro and."cā”ti.

beyond this“Ato indeedkho to youte, Kaccānakaccāna, manybahū forhi very manybahutarā godsdevā whoye of theseimesaṁ of sun and mooncandimasūriyānaṁ luminosityābhā do not measure up tonānubhonti, that Ityāhaṁ I knowpajānāmi.
neverthelessAtha andca but Ipanāhaṁ notna I sayvadāmi:
compared to which‘yasmā splendorvaṇṇā otherañño splendorvaṇṇo fineruttaritaro andca more excellentpaṇītataro andca there is notnatthī’ti.
neverthelessAtha andca butpana youtvaṁ, Kaccānakaccāna, which this‘yvāyaṁ splendorvaṇṇo by a what-notkiminā by a fireflykhajjopanakena inferiornihīnataro andca more lowlypatikiṭṭhataro andca thisso ultimateparamo splendorvaṇṇo’ti you sayvadesi; and thattañca splendorvaṇṇaṁ notna you describepaññapesi.

fivePañca indeedkho theseime, Kaccānakaccāna, sensual·stimulationkāmaguṇā.
whatKatame fivepañca?
eye·knownCakkhuviññeyyā sightsrūpā likableiṭṭhā desirablekantā agreeablemanāpā pleasant·pleasantpiyarūpā sensual·connectedkāmūpasaṁhitā arousingrajanīyā,
ear·knownsotaviññeyyā soundssaddā …pe……pe…
nose·knownghānaviññeyyā smellsgandhā ……
tongue·knownjivhāviññeyyā tastesrasā ……
body·knownkāyaviññeyyā touchesphoṭṭhabbā likableiṭṭhā desirablekantā agreeablemanāpā pleasant·pleasantpiyarūpā sensual·connectedkāmūpasaṁhitā arousingrajanīyā—
theseime indeedkho, Kaccānakaccāna, fivepañca sensual·stimulationkāmaguṇā.

thatYaṁ indeedkho, Kaccānakaccāna, theseime fivepañca sensual stimulationkāmaguṇe dependent onpaṭicca arisesuppajjati pleasuresukhaṁ happinesssomanassaṁ thisidaṁ is calledvuccati sensual pleasure.kāmasukhaṁ.
thusIti from the senseskāmehi sensual pleasure,kāmasukhaṁ, from sensual pleasurekāmasukhā the pleasure that surmounts the sensualkāmaggasukhaṁ theretattha is said to be the best of these.aggamakkhāyatī”ti.

thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Vekhanasavekhanaso wandererparibbājako to the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ said thisetadavoca:
incredible“acchariyaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama, amazingabbhutaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama.
howYāva well-spoken + thissubhāsitañcidaṁ by the worthybhotā Gotamagotamena:
from the senses‘kāmehi sense·pleasurekāmasukhaṁ, sense·pleasurekāmasukhā sense·summit·pleasurekāmaggasukhaṁ theretattha best·declareaggamakkhāyatī’ti.
from the senses‘Kāmehi, worthybho Gotamagotama, sense·pleasurekāmasukhaṁ, sense·pleasurekāmasukhā sense·summit·pleasurekāmaggasukhaṁ, theretattha best·declareaggamakkhāyatī’”ti
hard to understand“dujjānaṁ indeedkho thisetaṁ, Kaccānakaccāna, by youtayā other·viewaññadiṭṭhikena other·creedaññakhantikena other·beliefaññarucikena other·disciplineaññatrayogena other·teacher-traditionaññatrācariyakena—
the senseskāmā orvā sense·pleasurekāmasukhaṁ orvā sense·summit·pleasurekāmaggasukhaṁ orvā.
thoseYe indeedkho thosete, Kaccānakaccāna, mendicantsbhikkhū perfectedarahanto with defilements endedkhīṇāsavā completed the spiritual journeyvusitavanto done·to-be-donekatakaraṇīyā laid-down·burdenohitabhārā attained·own-goalanuppattasadatthā utterly-ended·existence·fetterparikkhīṇabhavasaṁyojanā right-knowledge·freedsammadaññāvimuttā theyte indeedkho thisetaṁ would understandjāneyyuṁ—
the senseskāmā orvā sense·pleasurekāmasukhaṁ orvā sense·summit·pleasurekāmaggasukhaṁ orvā”ti.

thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Vekhanasavekhanaso wandererparibbājako angrykupito not·self·mindanattamano Blessed One + justbhagavantaṁyeva attackingkhuṁsento Blessed One + justbhagavantaṁyeva badmouthingvambhento Blessed One + justbhagavantaṁyeva sayingvadamāno:
ascetic“samaṇo Gotamagotamo worstedpāpito will bebhavissatī”ti to the Buddhabhagavantaṁ said thisetadavoca:
just so“evameva but here somepanidhekacce ascetic·brahminsamaṇabrāhmaṇā not·knowajānantā the first beginningpubbantaṁ, not·seeapassantā the final endaparantaṁ thenatha andca butpana
destroyed‘khīṇā rebirthjāti, completedvusitaṁ spiritual·journeybrahmacariyaṁ, donekataṁ what had to be donekaraṇīyaṁ, not·furthernāparaṁ for this placeitthattāyāti—pajānāmā’ti—paṭijānanti.
their + thisTesamidaṁ statementbhāsitaṁ joke + justhassakaṁyeva together·becomesampajjati, mere name + justnāmakaṁyeva together·becomesampajjati, vacuous + justrittakaṁyeva together·becomesampajjati, hollow + justtucchakaṁyeva together·becomesampajjatī”ti.

which“Ye indeedkho thosete, Kaccānakaccāna, ascetic·brahminsamaṇabrāhmaṇā not·knowingajānantā the first beginningpubbantaṁ, not·seeingapassantā the final endaparantaṁ,
ended‘khīṇā rebirthjāti, completedvusitaṁ the spiritual journeybrahmacariyaṁ, donekataṁ what had to be donekaraṇīyaṁ, nothing furthernāparaṁ for this place—we understand—claimitthattāyāti—pajānāmā’ti—paṭijānanti;
for themtesaṁ that verysoyeva legitimatesahadhammiko refutationniggaho there ishoti.
neverthelessApi andca, Kaccānakaccāna, leave asidetiṭṭhatu the first beginningpubbanto, leave asidetiṭṭhatu the final endaparanto.
let comeEtu sensibleviññū personpuriso neither deviousasaṭho not·deceitfulamāyāvī a person of integrityujujātiko, I teachahamanusāsāmi Iahaṁ dhammadhammaṁ I instructdesemi.
as instructedYathānusiṭṭhaṁ accordinglytathā practicingpaṭipajjamāno soonnacirasseva for themselvessāmaññeva will knowñassati for themselvessāmaṁ will seedakkhiti—
soevaṁ indeedkira rightlysammā from the bondbandhanā releasevippamokkho there ishoti, that isyadidaṁ ignoranceavijjā from the bondbandhanā.
supposeSeyyathāpi, Kaccānakaccāna, littledaharo babykumāro tendermando lying on its backuttānaseyyako up to the neckkaṇṭhapañcamehi with bondsbandhanehi boundbaddho would beassa with swaddlingsuttabandhanehi;
for themtassa as they grow upvuddhimanvāya of the sensesindriyānaṁ as they matureparipākamanvāya thosetāni bondsbandhanāni would be releasedmucceyyuṁ;
theyso I'm releasedmokkhomhīti indeedkho would knowjāneyya and there would be nono andca more bondsbandhanaṁ.
in the same wayEvameva indeedkho, Kaccānakaccāna, let comeetu sensibleviññū personpuriso neither deviousasaṭho not·deceitfulamāyāvī a person of integrityujujātiko, I teachahamanusāsāmi, Iahaṁ dhammadhammaṁ I instructdesemi;

as instructedyathānusiṭṭhaṁ sotathā practicingpaṭipajjamāno not·longnacirasseva for themselvessāmaññeva will knowñassati, for themselvessāmaṁ will seedakkhiti:
thus‘evaṁ indeedkira rightlysammā from the bondbandhanā releasevippamokkho ishoti, which + thisyadidaṁ ignoranceavijjā from the bondbandhanā’”ti.

thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Vekhanasavekhanaso wandererparibbājako to the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ this·saidetadavoca:
excellent“abhikkantaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama …pe……pe…
lay followerupāsakaṁ memaṁ worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo may he rememberdhāretu from this day forthajjatagge for lifepāṇupetaṁ refugesaraṇaṁ gonegatan”ti.
Vekhanasa·suttaVekhanasasuttaṁ finishedniṭṭhitaṁ tenthdasamaṁ.
wanderer·chapterParibbājakavaggo finishedniṭṭhito thirdtatiyo.

that·summaryTassuddānaṁ
PuṇḍarīPuṇḍarī Aggisahaaggisaha named Kathinkathināmo,
long·nailDīghanakho againpuna Bhāradvāja·clanbhāradvājagotto;
Sandaka·Udāyi·Muṇḍika·sonSandakaudāyimuṇḍikaputto,
MaṇikaMaṇiko likewise·Kaccānatathākaccāno excellent·chaptervaravaggo.

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