Madhurasutta

Majjhima Nikāya 84

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that“Taṁ what?kiṁ you thinkmaññasi, great kingmahārāja,
ifyadi thusevaṁ being sosante, theseime fourcattāro classesvaṇṇā equalsamasamā they arehonti notno or?vā?
howKathaṁ orvā to youte hereettha it ishotī”ti?
certainly“Addhā indeedkho, worthybho Kaccānakaccāna, thusevaṁ being sosante, theseime fourcattāro classesvaṇṇā equalsamasamā they arehonti.
of themNesaṁ hereettha anykiñci differencenānākaraṇaṁ I seesamanupassāmī”ti.
by this too“Imināpi indeedkho thisetaṁ, great kingmahārāja, by waypariyāyena to be understoodveditabbaṁ thatyathā mere reportghosoyeveso in the worldlokasmiṁ:
brahmin only‘brāhmaṇova bestseṭṭho classvaṇṇo, inferiorhīno otherañño classvaṇṇo …pe……pe…
heirs of Brahmābrahmadāyādā’ti.

“What do you think, Great King? If this is so, are the four classes equal or not? Or how do you see this?” “Certainly, worthy Kaccāna, in this case these four classes are equal. I can’t see any difference between them.” “And here’s another way to understand that the claims of the brahmins are just hearsay in the world.

thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, great·kingmahārāja,
here there might beidhassa an aristocratkhattiyo living being·killingpāṇātipātī not given·takingadinnādāyī in sensual pleasures·misconductkāmesumicchācārī falsely·speakingmusāvādī backbiting·speechpisuṇavāco harsh·speechpharusavāco nonsensical in speechsamphappalāpī covetousabhijjhālu malicious·mindbyāpannacitto wrong·viewmicchādiṭṭhi of the bodykāyassa from breaking upbhedā afterparaṁ from deathmaraṇā a place of lossapāyaṁ a bad placeduggatiṁ the underworldvinipātaṁ hellnirayaṁ near·goupapajjeyya notno or?vā?
howKathaṁ orvā to youte hereettha is it?hotī”ti?
an aristocrat too“Khattiyopi indeedhi, sirbho Kaccānakaccāna, living being·killingpāṇātipātī not given·takingadinnādāyī in sensual pleasures·misconductkāmesumicchācārī falsely·speakingmusāvādī backbiting·speechpisuṇavāco harsh·speechpharusavāco nonsensical in speechsamphappalāpī covetousabhijjhālu malicious·mindbyāpannacitto wrong·viewmicchādiṭṭhi of the bodykāyassa from breaking upbhedā afterparaṁ from deathmaraṇā a place of lossapāyaṁ a bad placeduggatiṁ the underworldvinipātaṁ hellnirayaṁ near·goupapajjeyya.
thusEvaṁ to meme hereettha it ishoti, thus·andevañca butpana by meme thisetaṁ from the perfected onesarahataṁ heardsutan”ti.
good“Sādhu goodsādhu, great·kingmahārāja.
goodSādhu indeedkho to youte thisetaṁ, great·kingmahārāja, thusevaṁ it ishoti, goodsādhu andca butpana by youte thisetaṁ from the perfected onesarahataṁ heardsutaṁ.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, great·kingmahārāja,
here there might beidhassa a brahminbrāhmaṇo ……pe…
here there might beidhassa a peasantvesso ……pe…

What do you think, Great King? Take an aristocrat who kills living creatures, steals, and commits sexual misconduct; uses speech that’s false, backbiting, harsh, or nonsensical; and is covetous, malicious, and has wrong view. When their body breaks up, after death, would they be reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell, or not? Or how do you see this?” “Such an aristocrat would be reborn in a bad place. That’s what I think, but I’ve also heard it from the perfected ones.” “Good, good, Great King! It’s good that you think so, and it’s good that you’ve heard it from the perfected ones. What do you think, Great King? Take a brahmin … a peasant …

here may be aidhassa menialsuddo one who kills living creaturespāṇātipātī one who stealsadinnādāyī …pe……pe… wrong·viewmicchādiṭṭhi of the bodykāyassa from breaking upbhedā afterparaṁ from deathmaraṇā to a place of lossapāyaṁ to a bad placeduggatiṁ to the underworldvinipātaṁ to hellnirayaṁ near·goupapajjeyya notno or?vā?
howKathaṁ orvā to youte hereettha does it seem?"hotī”ti?
"even a menial“Suddopi indeedhi, sirbho Kaccānakaccāna, one who kills living creaturespāṇātipātī one who stealsadinnādāyī …pe……pe… wrong·viewmicchādiṭṭhi of the bodykāyassa from breaking upbhedā afterparaṁ from deathmaraṇā to a place of lossapāyaṁ to a bad placeduggatiṁ to the underworldvinipātaṁ to hellnirayaṁ would be reborn.upapajjeyya.
thusEvaṁ to meme hereettha it seems,hoti, thus + andevañca butpana by meme thisetaṁ from the perfected onesarahataṁ heard."sutan”ti.
"good“Sādhu good,sādhu, great king.mahārāja.
goodSādhu indeedkho to youte this,etaṁ, great king,mahārāja, thusevaṁ it seems,hoti, goodsādhu andca butpana by youte thisetaṁ from the perfected onesarahataṁ heard.sutaṁ.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you think,maññasi, great king,mahārāja,
ifyadi thusevaṁ being,sante, theseime fourcattāro classesvaṇṇā equalsamasamā arehonti notno or?vā?
howKathaṁ orvā to youte hereettha does it seem?"hotī”ti?
"certainly“Addhā indeed,kho, sirbho Kaccāna,kaccāna, thusevaṁ being,sante, theseime fourcattāro classesvaṇṇā equalsamasamā are.honti.

a menial who kills living creatures, steals, and commits sexual misconduct; uses speech that’s false, backbiting, harsh, or nonsensical; and is covetous, malicious, and has wrong view. When their body breaks up, after death, would they be reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell, or not? Or how do you see this?” “Such a brahmin, peasant, or menial would be reborn in a bad place. That’s what I think, but I’ve also heard it from the perfected ones.” “Good, good, Great King! It’s good that you think so, and it’s good that you’ve heard it from the perfected ones. What do you think, Great King? If this is so, are the four classes equal or not? Or how do you see this?” “Certainly, worthy Kaccāna, in this case these four classes are equal.

of themNesaṁ hereettha anykiñci various·makingnānākaraṇaṁ I seesamanupassāmī”ti.
by this too“Imināpi indeedkho thisetaṁ, great kingmahārāja, by waypariyāyena to be understoodveditabbaṁ thatyathā just hearsay is thisghosoyeveso in the worldlokasmiṁ:
brahmin indeed‘brāhmaṇova bestseṭṭho classvaṇṇo, lowhīno otherañño classvaṇṇo pe…pe… heirs of Brahmābrahmadāyādā’”ti.

I can’t see any difference between them.” “And here’s another way to understand that the claims of the brahmins are just hearsay in the world.

What do you think, Great King? Take an aristocrat who doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, or commit sexual misconduct. They don’t use speech that’s false, backbiting, harsh, or nonsensical. And they’re contented, kind-hearted, with right view. When their body breaks up, after death, would they be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm, or not? Or how do you see this?” “Such an aristocrat would be reborn in a good place. That’s what I think, but I’ve also heard it from the perfected ones.” “Good, good, Great King! It’s good that you think so, and it’s good that you’ve heard it from the perfected ones.

thatTaṁ what?kiṁ you thinkmaññasi, great·kingmahārāja,
here might beidhassa a brahminbrāhmaṇo, here might beidhassa a peasantvesso, here might beidhassa a menialsuddo from killing living creaturespāṇātipātā away·refrainpaṭivirato from stealingadinnādānā away·refrainpaṭivirato ...…pe… right·viewsammādiṭṭhi of the bodykāyassa after breaking upbhedā afterparaṁ deathmaraṇā to a good destinationsugatiṁ heavenlysaggaṁ worldlokaṁ up·goupapajjeyya notno or?vā?
howKathaṁ orvā to youte hereettha does it seemhotī”ti?
even a menial“Suddopi indeedhi, sirbho Kaccānakaccāna, from killing living creaturespāṇātipātā away·refrainpaṭivirato, from stealingadinnādānā away·refrainpaṭivirato ...…pe… right·viewsammādiṭṭhi of the bodykāyassa after breaking upbhedā afterparaṁ deathmaraṇā to a good destinationsugatiṁ heavenlysaggaṁ worldlokaṁ up·goupapajjeyya.
thusEvaṁ to meme hereettha it seemshoti, and thusevañca butpana by meme thisetaṁ from the perfected onesarahataṁ heardsutan”ti.
good“Sādhu goodsādhu, great·kingmahārāja.
goodSādhu indeedkho by youte thisetaṁ, great·kingmahārāja, thusevaṁ it seemshoti, goodsādhu andca butpana by youte thisetaṁ from the perfected onesarahataṁ heardsutaṁ.
thatTaṁ what?kiṁ you thinkmaññasi, great·kingmahārāja,
ifyadi this being soevaṁ this being sosante, theseime fourcattāro classesvaṇṇā equal·equalsamasamā are theyhonti notno or?vā?
howKathaṁ orvā to youte hereettha does it seemhotī”ti?

What do you think, Great King? Take a brahmin, peasant, or menial who doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, or commit sexual misconduct. They don’t use speech that’s false, backbiting, harsh, or nonsensical. And they’re contented, kind-hearted, with right view. When their body breaks up, after death, would they be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm, or not? Or how do you see this?” “Such a brahmin, peasant, or menial would be reborn in a good place. That’s what I think, but I’ve also heard it from the perfected ones.” “Good, good, Great King! It’s good that you think so, and it’s good that you’ve heard it from the perfected ones. What do you think, Great King? If this is so, are the four classes equal or not? Or how do you see this?”

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