With Prince Bodhi · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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suchtādiso
thisayaṁ
teachingdhammo
whereinyattha
dis-·knowingviññū
personpuriso
not·long·onlynacirasseva
one's ownsakaṁ
teacher·belongingācariyakaṁ
oneselfsayaṁ
higher·knowledgeabhiññā
with own eyes·do·havingsacchikatvā
to·reachupasampajja
live + quotevihareyyā’ti.
thatSo
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
king·princerājakumāra,
not·long·onlynacirasseva
quick·onlykhippameva
thattaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
I memorizedpariyāpuṇiṁ.
thatSo
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
king·princerājakumāra,
so much·onlytāvatakeneva
lip-struck·mereoṭṭhapahatamattena
verbal repetition·merelapitalāpanamattena
doctrine of knowledge·andñāṇavādañca
I speakvadāmi,
elder doctrine·andtheravādañca
I knowjānāmi
I see; quotepassāmīti
andca
I claimpaṭijānāmi,
I·and·onlyahañceva
othersaññe
andca.
to thatTassa
to memayhaṁ,
king·princerājakumāra,
this·wasetadahosi:
not‘na
indeedkho
Rāmarāmo
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
solelykevalaṁ
faith·meresaddhāmattakena
by himselfsayaṁ
higher·knowledgeabhiññā
with own eyes·do·havingsacchikatvā
to·reachupasampajja
I live; quoteviharāmīti
he declaredpavedesi;
surelyaddhā
Rāmarāmo
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
knowingjānaṁ
seeingpassaṁ
he lived; quote endvihāsī’ti.
This teaching is such that a sensible person can soon realize their own denomination with their own insight and live having achieved it.’ I quickly memorized that teaching. As far as lip-recital and verbal repetition went, I spoke the doctrine of knowledge, the elder doctrine. I claimed to know and see, and so did others. Then it occurred to me, ‘It is not solely by mere faith that Rāma declared: “I realize this teaching with my own insight, and live having achieved it.” Surely he meditated knowing and seeing this teaching.’
thenAtha
indeed + Ikhvāhaṁ,
king·princerājakumāra,
whereyena
Uddakaudako
Rāma·sonrāmaputto
him + I approachedtenupasaṅkamiṁ;
near·goupasaṅkamitvā
Uddakaudakaṁ
Rāma·sonrāmaputtaṁ
this + I saidetadavocaṁ:
to what extent‘kittāvatā
thenno,
reverendāvuso,
Rāmarāmo
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
oneselfsayaṁ
directly·knowabhiññā
with insight·having madesacchikatvā
near·having arrivedupasampajja
he said he dwelledviharāmīti
did he declarepavedesī’ti?
thusEvaṁ
when this was saidvutte,
king·princerājakumāra,
Uddakaudako
Rāma·sonrāmaputto
the dimension of neither perception nor non-perceptionnevasaññānāsaññāyatanaṁ
declaredpavedesi.
to meTassa
of memayhaṁ,
king·princerājakumāra,
this + it wasetadahosi:
not‘na
indeedkho
Rāma alonerāmasseva
he hadahosi
faithsaddhā,
I + too + there ismayhampatthi
faithsaddhā;
notna
indeedkho
Rāma alonerāmasseva
he hadahosi
energyvīriyaṁ
…pe……pe…
mindfulnesssati
……
immersionsamādhi
……
wisdompaññā,
I + too + there ismayhampatthi
wisdompaññā.
why don't IYannūnāhaṁ
whichyaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
oneselfsayaṁ
directly·knowabhiññā
with insight·having madesacchikatvā
near·having arrivedupasampajja
he said he dwelledviharāmīti
he declarespavedeti
of thattassa
teachingdhammassa
with insight + makingsacchikiriyāya
I should make an effortpadaheyyan’ti.
thatSo
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
king·princerājakumāra,
not + after a long timenacirasseva
quick + onlykhippameva
thattaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
oneselfsayaṁ
directly·knowabhiññā
with insight·having madesacchikatvā
near·having arrivedupasampajja
I dwelledvihāsiṁ.
thenAtha
indeed + Ikhvāhaṁ,
king·princerājakumāra,
whereyena
Uddakaudako
Rāma·sonrāmaputto
him + I approachedtenupasaṅkamiṁ;
near·goupasaṅkamitvā
Uddakaudakaṁ
Rāma·sonrāmaputtaṁ
this + I saidetadavocaṁ:
So I approached Uddaka son of Rāma and said to him, ‘Reverend, to what extent did Rāma say he’d realized this teaching with his own insight?’ When I said this, Uddaka son of Rāma declared the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. Then it occurred to me, ‘It’s not just Rāma who had faith, energy, mindfulness, immersion, and wisdom; I too have these things. Why don’t I make an effort to realize the same teaching that Rāma said he had realized with his own insight?’ I quickly realized that teaching with my own insight, and lived having achieved it. So I approached Uddaka son of Rāma and said to him,
up to this point‘ettāvatā
for usno,
reverendāvuso,
Rāmarāmo
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
himselfsayaṁ
having realized with insightabhiññā
with one's own eyes·dosacchikatvā
up to·together·goupasampajja
declared?pavedesī’ti?
up to this point‘Ettāvatā
indeedkho,
reverendāvuso,
Rāmarāmo
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
himselfsayaṁ
having realized with insightabhiññā
with one's own eyes·dosacchikatvā
up to·together·goupasampajja
declared.pavedesī’ti.
I·also‘Ahampi
indeedkho,
reverendāvuso,
up to this pointettāvatā
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
myselfsayaṁ
having realized with insightabhiññā
with one's own eyes·dosacchikatvā
up to·together·goupasampajja
I dwell.viharāmī’ti.
gains‘Lābhā
for usno,
reverendāvuso,
well·gainedsuladdhaṁ
for usno,
reverendāvuso,
whoye
wemayaṁ
the venerableāyasmantaṁ
suchtādisaṁ
together·spiritual companionsabrahmacāriṁ
we see.passāma.
thusIti
whichyaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
himselfsayaṁ
having realized with insightabhiññā
with one's own eyes·dosacchikatvā
up to·together·goupasampajja
forth·knowpavedesi
thattaṁ
youtvaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
yourselfsayaṁ
having realized with insightabhiññā
with one's own eyes·dosacchikatvā
up to·together·goupasampajja
you dwell.viharasi.
whichYaṁ
youtvaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
yourselfsayaṁ
having realized with insightabhiññā
with one's own eyes·dosacchikatvā
up to·together·goupasampajja
you dwellviharasi
thattaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
himselfsayaṁ
having realized with insightabhiññā
with one's own eyes·dosacchikatvā
up to·together·goupasampajja
declared.pavedesi.
thusIti
whichyaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
directly knewabhiññāsi
thattaṁ
youtvaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
you know;jānāsi;
whichyaṁ
youtvaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
you knowjānāsi
thattaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
directly knew.abhiññāsi.
‘Reverend, had Rāma realized this teaching with his own insight up to this point, and declared having achieved it?’ ‘He had, reverend.’ ‘I too have realized this teaching with my own insight up to this point, and live having achieved it.’ ‘We are fortunate, reverend, so very fortunate to see a venerable such as yourself as one of our spiritual companions! So the teaching that Rāma had realized with his own insight, and declared having achieved it, you’ve realized with your own insight, and dwell having achieved it. The teaching that you’ve realized with your own insight, and dwell having achieved it, Rāma had realized with his own insight, and declared having achieved it. So the teaching that Rāma directly knew, you know, and the teaching you know, Rāma directly knew.
thusIti
such asyādiso
Rāmarāmo
wasahosi
like thattādiso
youtuvaṁ,
such asyādiso
youtuvaṁ
like thattādiso
Rāmarāmo
wasahosi.
comeEhi
nowdāni,
reverendāvuso,
youtuvaṁ
thisimaṁ
communitygaṇaṁ
you should leadpariharā’ti.
thusIti
indeedkho,
princerājakumāra,
Uddakaudako
son of Rāmarāmaputto
spiritual companionsabrahmacārī
of meme
beingsamāno
in the position of a tutorācariyaṭṭhāne
memaṁ
placedṭhapesi,
with highuḷārāya
andca
memaṁ
praisepūjāya
honoredpūjesi.
of thatTassa
to memayhaṁ,
princerājakumāra,
it occurredetadahosi:
this‘nāyaṁ
teachingdhammo
to disillusionmentnibbidāya
notna
to dispassionvirāgāya
notna
to cessationnirodhāya
notna
to peaceupasamāya
notna
to insightabhiññāya
notna
to awakeningsambodhāya
notna
to extinguishmentnibbānāya
leadssaṁvattati,
only as far asyāvadeva
to rebirth in the dimension of neither perception nor non-perceptionnevasaññānāsaññāyatanūpapattiyā’ti.
thatSo
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
princerājakumāra,
thattaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
realizing inadequateanalaṅkaritvā
from thattasmā
teachingdhammā
disappointednibbijja
I leftapakkamiṁ.
Rāma was like you and you are like Rāma. Come now, reverend! You should lead this community.’ And that is how my spiritual companion Uddaka son of Rāma placed me in the position of a tutor and honored me with high praise. Then it occurred to me, ‘This teaching doesn’t lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment. It only leads as far as rebirth in the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception.’ Realizing that this teaching was inadequate, I left disappointed.
ISo
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
princerājakumāra,
what·skillful·seekingkiṅkusalagavesī
supremeanuttaraṁ
peace·sublime·statesantivarapadaṁ
seekingpariyesamāno,
in the Magadhan landsmagadhesu
stage by stageanupubbena
walking tourcārikaṁ
wanderingcaramāno,
whereyena
Uruvelāuruvelā
Senā·townsenānigamo
I arrivedtadavasariṁ.
there·sawTatthaddasaṁ
delightfulramaṇīyaṁ
parkbhūmibhāgaṁ,
lovely + andpāsādikañca
grovevanasaṇḍaṁ,
river + andnadiñca
flowingsandantiṁ
cleansetakaṁ
with smooth bankssupatitthaṁ,
delightfulramaṇīyaṁ
nearbysamantā
andca
village to resort to for almsgocaragāmaṁ.
of meTassa
mymayhaṁ,
princerājakumāra,
this occurred to himetadahosi:
delightful‘ramaṇīyo
trulyvata
sirbho
parkbhūmibhāgo,
lovelypāsādiko
andca
grovevanasaṇḍo,
rivernadī
andca
flowssandati
cleansetakā
with smooth bankssupatitthā,
delightfulramaṇīyā
nearbysamantā
andca
village to resort to for almsgocaragāmo.
sufficientAlaṁ
truly thisvatidaṁ
family·sonkulaputtassa
wanting to strivepadhānatthikassa
for strivingpadhānāyā’ti.
ISo
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
princerājakumāra,
right theretattheva
sat downnisīdiṁ:
this is enough‘alamidaṁ
for strivingpadhānāyā’ti.
I set out to discover what is skillful, seeking the supreme state of sublime peace. Traveling stage by stage in the Magadhan lands, I arrived at the town of Senā in Uruvelā. There I saw a delightful park, a lovely grove with a flowing river that was clean and charming, with smooth banks. And nearby was a village to resort to for alms. Then it occurred to me, ‘This park is truly delightful, a lovely grove with a flowing river that’s clean and charming, with smooth banks. And nearby there’s a village to resort to for alms. This is good enough for striving for a gentleman wanting to strive.’ So I sat down right there, thinking, ‘This is good enough for striving.’
and·thenApissu to memaṁ, princerājakumāra, threetisso similesupamā back·appearpaṭibhaṁsu not·wondrousanacchariyā in the pastpubbe not·heard·beforeassutapubbā.
And then these three similes, which were neither supernaturally inspired, nor learned before in the past, occurred to me.
just as ifSeyyathāpi,
princerājakumāra,
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
sappysasnehaṁ
in waterudake
lyingnikkhittaṁ.
thenAtha
personpuriso
would comeāgaccheyya
drill-stickuttarāraṇiṁ
having takenādāya:
fire‘aggiṁ
I will produceabhinibbattessāmi,
heattejo
I will revealpātukarissāmī’ti.
thatTaṁ
whatkiṁ
you thinkmaññasi,
princerājakumāra,
surelyapi
indeednu
thatso
personpuriso
thatamuṁ
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
sappysasnehaṁ
in waterudake
lyingnikkhittaṁ
drill-stickuttarāraṇiṁ
having takenādāya
drillingabhimanthento
fireaggiṁ
would produceabhinibbatteyya,
heattejo
would revealpātukareyyā”ti?
no“No
indeedhidaṁ,
sirbhante.
thatTaṁ
of whatkissa
causehetu?
becauseAduñhi,
sirbhante,
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
sappysasnehaṁ
and ittañca
thenpana
in waterudake
lyingnikkhittaṁ,
eventuallyyāvadeva
andca
thenpana
thatso
personpuriso
of wearinesskilamathassa
of frustrationvighātassa
sharerbhāgī
would beassā”ti.
Suppose there was a green, sappy log, and it was lying in water. Then a person comes along with a drill-stick, thinking to light a fire and produce heat. What do you think, Prince? By drilling the stick against that green, sappy log lying in water, could they light a fire and produce heat?” “No, sir. Why is that? Because it’s a green, sappy log, and it’s lying in the water. That person will eventually get weary and frustrated.”
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