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Majjhima Nikāya 90

Kaṇṇakatthalasutta

At Kaṇṇakatthala · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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“with reason indeed“Heturūpaṁ, sirbhante, the Blessed Onebhagavā saidāha; with reason indeedsaheturūpaṁ, sirbhante, the Blessed Onebhagavā saidāha.
these four, sir, areCattārome, sirbhante, classesvaṇṇā—
aristocratskhattiyā, brahminsbrāhmaṇā, peasantsvessā, workerssuddā.
theyTe if they werecassu with theseimehi with fivepañcahi with factors of strivingpadhāniyaṅgehi endowedsamannāgatā theyte if they werecassu rightly strivingsammappadhānā;
hereettha thenpana for themnesaṁ, sirbhante, there would besiyā a differenceviseso there would besiyā a distinction?”nānākaraṇan”ti?
“In this case“Ettha indeedkho I, for them,nesāhaṁ, great kingmahārāja, notna anykiñci differencenānākaraṇaṁ I say, that is to sayvadāmi—yadidaṁ of freedomvimuttiyā freedomvimuttiṁ.
SupposeSeyyathāpi, great kingmahārāja, a personpuriso drysukkhaṁ teak woodsākakaṭṭhaṁ having takenādāya fireaggiṁ would produceabhinibbatteyya, heattejo would make appearpātukareyya;
then anotherathāparo personpuriso drysukkhaṁ sāl woodsālakaṭṭhaṁ having takenādāya fireaggiṁ would produceabhinibbatteyya, heattejo would make appearpātukareyya;
then anotherathāparo personpuriso drysukkhaṁ mango woodambakaṭṭhaṁ having takenādāya fireaggiṁ would produceabhinibbatteyya, heattejo would make appearpātukareyya;
then anotherathāparo personpuriso drysukkhaṁ cluster fig woodudumbarakaṭṭhaṁ having takenādāya fireaggiṁ would produceabhinibbatteyya, heattejo would make appearpātukareyya.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, great king,mahārāja,

would besiyā thennu indeedkho of thosetesaṁ of the firesaggīnaṁ different·woodnānādāruto producedabhinibbattānaṁ anykiñci differencenānākaraṇaṁ in flameacciyā orvā flameacciṁ, in colorvaṇṇena orvā colorvaṇṇaṁ, in luminosityābhāya orvā luminosity?”ābhan”ti?
“No“No indeed, sirhetaṁ, sir”.bhante”.
“In the same way“Evameva indeed,kho, great·kingmahārāja, whichyaṁ thattaṁ firetejaṁ from energyvīriyā down·churnednimmathitaṁ produced by effortpadhānābhinibbattaṁ, I do notnāhaṁ theretattha anykiñci differencenānākaraṇaṁ say + that isvadāmi—yadidaṁ in freedomvimuttiyā freedom.”vimuttin”ti.

with reason“Heturūpaṁ, sirbhante, the Blessed Onebhagavā saidāha; with·reason·appearingsaheturūpaṁ, sirbhante, the Blessed Onebhagavā saidāha.
whatKiṁ butpana, sirbhante, there areatthi godsdevā”ti?
what“Kiṁ butpana youtvaṁ, great kingmahārāja, thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
what‘kiṁ butpana, sirbhante, there areatthi godsdevā’”ti?
if“Yadi orvā thosete, sirbhante, godsdevā back·goersāgantāro to this stateitthattaṁ ifyadi orvā not·back·goersanāgantāro to this stateitthattaṁ”?
those“Ye thosete, great kingmahārāja, godsdevā with·afflictionsabyābajjhā thosete godsdevā back·goersāgantāro to this stateitthattaṁ, thoseye thosete godsdevā not·afflictionabyābajjhā thosete godsdevā not·back·goersanāgantāro to this stateitthattan”ti.

thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Viḍūḍabhaviṭaṭūbho generalsenāpati the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ this·saidetadavoca:
which“ye thosete, sirbhante, godsdevā with·afflictedsabyābajjhā to·goerāgantāro to this stateitthattaṁ thosete godsdevā, whichye thosete godsdevā un-·afflictedabyābajjhā non-·returneranāgantāro to this stateitthattaṁ thosete godsdeve from thattamhā placeṭhānā will topplecāvessanti orvā will expelpabbājessanti quotation markervā”ti?
thenAtha indeedkho Venerableāyasmato Ānandaānandassa this·occurredetadahosi:
this“ayaṁ indeedkho Viḍūḍabhaviṭaṭūbho generalsenāpati of the kingrañño Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa sonputto;
Iahaṁ of the Blessed Onebhagavato sonputto.
thisAyaṁ indeedkho timekālo thatyaṁ sonputto with a sonputtena should confermanteyyā”ti.
thenAtha indeedkho Venerableāyasmā Ānandaānando Viḍūḍabhaviṭaṭūbhaṁ generalsenāpatiṁ addressedāmantesi:
by that“tena thenhi, generalsenāpati, I will ask you about this very mattertaññevettha I will question in returnpaṭipucchissāmi; asyathā to youte it may be fittingkhameyya sotathā itnaṁ you may answerbyākareyyāsi.
thisTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, generalsenāpati,

as far asyāvatā of the kingrañño of Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa dominionvijitaṁ whereyattha andca the kingrājā Pasenadipasenadi of Kosalakosalo sovereignty and overlordshipissariyādhipaccaṁ kingshiprajjaṁ he exerciseskāreti, he is ablepahoti theretattha the kingrājā Pasenadipasenadi of Kosalakosalo an asceticsamaṇaṁ orvā a brahminbrāhmaṇaṁ orvā goodpuññavantaṁ orvā un-·meritapuññavantaṁ orvā holy·lifebrahmacariyavantaṁ orvā un-·holy·lifeabrahmacariyavantaṁ orvā from thattamhā placeṭhānā to topplecāvetuṁ orvā to expelpabbājetuṁ or?”vā”ti?
“As far as“Yāvatā, worthybho, of the kingrañño of Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa dominionvijitaṁ whereyattha andca the kingrājā Pasenadipasenadi of Kosalakosalo sovereignty and overlordshipissariyādhipaccaṁ kingshiprajjaṁ he exerciseskāreti, he is ablepahoti theretattha the kingrājā Pasenadipasenadi of Kosalakosalo an asceticsamaṇaṁ orvā a brahminbrāhmaṇaṁ orvā goodpuññavantaṁ orvā un-·meritapuññavantaṁ orvā holy·lifebrahmacariyavantaṁ orvā un-·holy·lifeabrahmacariyavantaṁ orvā from thattamhā placeṭhānā to topplecāvetuṁ orvā to expelpabbājetuṁ or.”vā”ti.
“What“Taṁ do you think?kiṁ you thinkmaññasi, general,senāpati,

as far asyāvatā of the kingrañño Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa not·conqueredavijitaṁ whereyattha andca kingrājā Pasenadipasenadi Kosalankosalo notna sovereign lordshipissariyādhipaccaṁ kingdomrajjaṁ he ruleskāreti, theretattha forth·bepahoti kingrājā Pasenadipasenadi Kosalankosalo asceticsamaṇaṁ orvā brahminbrāhmaṇaṁ orvā merit·possessingpuññavantaṁ orvā not·merit·possessingapuññavantaṁ orvā holy·life·possessingbrahmacariyavantaṁ orvā not·holy·life·possessingabrahmacariyavantaṁ orvā from thattamhā from the placeṭhānā to topplecāvetuṁ orvā forth·expelpabbājetuṁ or?"vā”ti?
"As far as“Yāvatā, worthybho, of the kingrañño Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa not·conqueredavijitaṁ whereyattha andca kingrājā Pasenadipasenadi Kosalankosalo notna sovereign lordshipissariyādhipaccaṁ kingdomrajjaṁ he ruleskāreti, notna theretattha forth·bepahoti kingrājā Pasenadipasenadi Kosalankosalo asceticsamaṇaṁ orvā brahminbrāhmaṇaṁ orvā merit·possessingpuññavantaṁ orvā not·merit·possessingapuññavantaṁ orvā holy·life·possessingbrahmacariyavantaṁ orvā not·holy·life·possessingabrahmacariyavantaṁ orvā from thattamhā from the placeṭhānā to topplecāvetuṁ orvā forth·expelpabbājetuṁ or."vā”ti.
"That“Taṁ whatkiṁ you thinkmaññasi, generalsenāpati,
heardsutā by youte godsdevā the Thirty-Threetāvatiṁsā”ti?
"Yes“Evaṁ, worthybho.
heardSutā by meme godsdevā the Thirty-Threetāvatiṁsā.
and here alsoIdhāpi by the worthybhotā by the kingraññā Pasenadipasenadinā Kosalankosalena heardsutā godsdevā the Thirty-Three."tāvatiṁsā”ti.

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