With Assalāyana · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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even though“Kiñcāpi
worthy sirbhavaṁ
Gotamagotamo
thus·saysevamāha,
thenatha
but·indeed·herekhvettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
thus·thisevametaṁ
thinkmaññanti:
brahmin indeed‘brāhmaṇova
bestseṭṭho
classvaṇṇo,
inferiorhīno
otherañño
classvaṇṇo
ellipsis…pe…
heirs of Brahmābrahmadāyādā’”ti.
that“Taṁ
whatkiṁ
you thinkmaññasi,
Assalāyanaassalāyana,
aristocrat·indeedkhattiyova
nownu
indeedkho
killer of living beingspāṇātipātī
taker of the not-givenadinnādāyī
sexual misbehaverkāmesumicchācārī
false speakermusāvādī
backbiting speakerpisuṇavāco
harsh speakerpharusavāco
nonsensical talkersamphappalāpī
covetousabhijjhālu
malicious-mindedbyāpannacitto
wrong-viewedmicchādiṭṭhi
of the bodykāyassa
from breaking upbhedā
afterparaṁ
from deathmaraṇā
place of lossapāyaṁ
bad destinationduggatiṁ
downfallvinipātaṁ
hellnirayaṁ
would be rebornupapajjeyya,
notno
brahmin?brāhmaṇo?
peasant·indeedVessova
nownu
indeedkho
ellipsis…pe…
menial·indeedsuddova
nownu
indeedkho
killer of living beingspāṇātipātī
taker of the not-givenadinnādāyī
sexual misbehaverkāmesumicchācārī
false speakermusāvādī
backbiting speakerpisuṇavāco
harsh speakerpharusavāco
nonsensical talkersamphappalāpī
covetousabhijjhālu
malicious-mindedbyāpannacitto
wrong-viewedmicchādiṭṭhi
of the bodykāyassa
from breaking upbhedā
afterparaṁ
from deathmaraṇā
place of lossapāyaṁ
bad destinationduggatiṁ
downfallvinipātaṁ
hellnirayaṁ
would be rebornupapajjeyya,
notno
brahmin?brāhmaṇo”ti?
no“No
indeed thishidaṁ,
worthy sirbho
Gotamagotama.
aristocrat·tooKhattiyopi
forhi,
worthy sirbho
Gotamagotama,
killer of living beingspāṇātipātī
taker of the not-givenadinnādāyī
sexual misbehaverkāmesumicchācārī
false speakermusāvādī
backbiting speakerpisuṇavāco
harsh speakerpharusavāco
nonsensical talkersamphappalāpī
covetousabhijjhālu
malicious-mindedbyāpannacitto
wrong-viewedmicchādiṭṭhi
of the bodykāyassa
from breaking upbhedā
afterparaṁ
from deathmaraṇā
place of lossapāyaṁ
bad destinationduggatiṁ
downfallvinipātaṁ
hellnirayaṁ
would be rebornupapajjeyya.
“Even though you say this, still the brahmins maintain their belief.” “What do you think, Assalāyana? Suppose an aristocrat were to kill living creatures, steal, and commit sexual misconduct; to use speech that’s false, backbiting, harsh, or nonsensical; and to be covetous, malicious, with wrong view. When their body breaks up, after death, they’d be reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell. Would this happen only to an aristocrat, and not to a brahmin? Or suppose a peasant, or a menial were to act in the same way. Would that result befall only a peasant or a menial, and not to a brahmin?” “No, worthy Gotama. If they acted the same way, the same result would befall an aristocrat, a brahmin, a peasant, or a menial.
brahmin·alsoBrāhmaṇopi
indeedhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama
……pe…
merchant·alsovessopi
indeedhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama
……pe…
worker·alsosuddopi
indeedhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama
……pe…
all·alsosabbepi
indeedhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
fourcattāro
classesvaṇṇā
killers of living creaturespāṇātipātino
takers of what is not givenadinnādāyino
in sensual pleasures·misbehaverkāmesumicchācārino
falsehood·speakermusāvādino
backbiting·speechpisuṇavācā
harsh·speechpharusavācā
of nonsensical speechsamphappalāpino
covetousabhijjhālū
malicious·mindbyāpannacittā
wrong·viewmicchādiṭṭhī
of the bodykāyassa
after breaking upbhedā
afterparaṁ
after deathmaraṇā
to a place of lossapāyaṁ
to a bad placeduggatiṁ
to the underworldvinipātaṁ
to hellnirayaṁ
would be rebornupapajjeyyun”ti.
in this matter“Ettha,
Assalāyanaassalāyana,
of the brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
whatkiṁ
source of certaintybalaṁ,
whatko
source of forcefulnessassāso
since hereyadettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
thus they sayevamāhaṁsu:
a brahmin indeed is‘brāhmaṇova
the bestseṭṭho
classvaṇṇo,
inferiorhīno
otherañño
classvaṇṇo
……pe…
brahma’s heirsbrahmadāyādā’”ti?
For if any of the four classes were to kill living creatures, steal, and commit sexual misconduct; to use speech that’s false, backbiting, harsh, or nonsensical; and to be covetous, malicious, with wrong view, then, when their body breaks up, after death, they’d be reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.” “Then what is the source of the brahmins’ certainty and forcefulness in this matter that they make this claim?”
even though“Kiñcāpi
worthybhavaṁ
Gotamagotamo
so·sayevamāha,
thenatha
but·herekhvettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
so·thisevametaṁ
thinkmaññanti:
brahmin is the‘brāhmaṇova
bestseṭṭho
classvaṇṇo,
inferiorhīno
otherañño
classvaṇṇo
……pe…
Brahmā·heirs·quotation markerbrahmadāyādā’”ti.
this“Taṁ
whatkiṁ
do you thinkmaññasi,
Assalāyanaassalāyana,
brahmin·is thebrāhmaṇova
nownu
indeedkho
from killing living creaturespāṇātipātā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
from stealingadinnādānā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
from sexual misconductkāmesumicchācārā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
from false speechmusāvādā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
backbitingpisuṇāya
speechvācāya
back·refrainpaṭivirato
harshpharusāya
speechvācāya
back·refrainpaṭivirato
from nonsensical speechsamphappalāpā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
not·covetousanabhijjhālu
not·malice·mindabyāpannacitto
right·viewsammādiṭṭhi
body'skāyassa
break upbhedā
afterparaṁ
deathmaraṇā
good placesugatiṁ
heavenly realmsaggaṁ
worldlokaṁ
up·goupapajjeyya,
notno
aristocratkhattiyo,
notno
peasantvesso,
notno
menial·quotation markersuddo”ti?
No“No
indeed thishidaṁ,
worthybho
Gotamagotama.
aristocrat·tooKhattiyopi
indeedhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
from killing living creaturespāṇātipātā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
from stealingadinnādānā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
from sexual misconductkāmesumicchācārā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
from false speechmusāvādā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
backbitingpisuṇāya
speechvācāya
back·refrainpaṭivirato
harshpharusāya
speechvācāya
back·refrainpaṭivirato
from nonsensical speechsamphappalāpā
back·refrainpaṭivirato
not·covetousanabhijjhālu
not·malice·mindabyāpannacitto
right·viewsammādiṭṭhi
body'skāyassa
break upbhedā
afterparaṁ
deathmaraṇā
good placesugatiṁ
heavenly realmsaggaṁ
worldlokaṁ
up·goupapajjeyya.
brahmin·tooBrāhmaṇopi
indeedhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama
……pe…
“Even though you say this, still the brahmins maintain their belief.” “What do you think, Assalāyana? Suppose a brahmin were to refrain from killing living creatures, stealing, and sexual misconduct; from using speech that’s false, backbiting, harsh, or nonsensical; and from covetousness, malice, and wrong view. When their body breaks up, after death, they’d be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm. Would this happen only to a brahmin, and not to an aristocrat, a peasant, or a menial?” “No, worthy Gotama. If they acted the same way, the same result would befall an aristocrat, a brahmin, a peasant, or a menial.
a vessa toovessopi
forhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama
…pe……pe…
a sudda toosuddopi
forhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama
…pe……pe…
all·toosabbepi
forhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
fourcattāro
classesvaṇṇā
from killing living creaturespāṇātipātā
against·abstainedpaṭiviratā
from stealingadinnādānā
against·abstainedpaṭiviratā
desires·wrong conductkāmesumicchācārā
against·abstainedpaṭiviratā
from false speechmusāvādā
against·abstainedpaṭiviratā
backbitingpisuṇāya
speechvācāya
against·abstainedpaṭiviratā
harshpharusāya
speechvācāya
against·abstainedpaṭiviratā
from nonsensical speechsamphappalāpā
against·abstainedpaṭiviratā
without covetousnessanabhijjhālū
with mind free of ill willabyāpannacittā
with right viewsammādiṭṭhī
of the bodykāyassa
breaking upbhedā
afterparaṁ
deathmaraṇā
a good placesugatiṁ
heavenlysaggaṁ
realmlokaṁ
would be rebornupapajjeyyun”ti.
In this“Ettha,
Assalāyanaassalāyana,
of the brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
whatkiṁ
source of certaintybalaṁ,
whatko
forcefulnessassāso
that·hereyadettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
make this claimevamāhaṁsu:
a brahmin indeed‘brāhmaṇova
bestseṭṭho
classvaṇṇo,
inferiorhīno
otherañño
classvaṇṇo
…pe……pe…
heirs of Brahmābrahmadāyādā’”ti?
For if any of the four classes were to refrain from killing living creatures, stealing, and sexual misconduct; from using speech that’s false, backbiting, harsh, or nonsensical; and from covetousness, malice, and wrong view, then, when their body breaks up, after death, they’d be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.” “Then what is the source of the brahmins’ certainty and forcefulness in this matter that they make this claim?”
even though“Kiñcāpi
venerablebhavaṁ
Gotamagotamo
speaks thusevamāha,
thenatha
but + herekhvettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
thus + thisevametaṁ
they thinkmaññanti:
only a brahmin‘brāhmaṇova
foremostseṭṭho
classvaṇṇo,
inferiorhīno
otherañño
classvaṇṇo
…pe……pe…
Brahmā's heirsbrahmadāyādā’”ti.
that“Taṁ
whatkiṁ
do you thinkmaññasi,
Assalāyanaassalāyana,
brahmin + onlybrāhmaṇova
indeednu
indeedkho
is capablepahoti
in thisasmiṁ
regionpadese
without·enmityaveraṁ
without·ill_willabyābajjhaṁ
love·heartmettacittaṁ
to developbhāvetuṁ,
notno
aristocratkhattiyo,
notno
peasantvesso,
notno
menialsuddo”ti?
No“No
indeed herehidaṁ,
worthybho
Gotamagotama.
aristocrat + evenKhattiyopi
indeedhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
is capablepahoti
in thisasmiṁ
regionpadese
without·enmityaveraṁ
without·ill_willabyābajjhaṁ
love·heartmettacittaṁ
to developbhāvetuṁ;
brahmin + evenbrāhmaṇopi
indeedhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama
……
peasant + evenvessopi
indeedhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama
……
menial + evensuddopi
indeedhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama
……
all + evensabbepi
indeedhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
fourcattāro
classesvaṇṇā
are capablepahonti
in thisasmiṁ
regionpadese
without·enmityaveraṁ
without·ill_willabyābajjhaṁ
love·heartmettacittaṁ
to developbhāvetun”ti.
here“Ettha,
Assalāyanaassalāyana,
of the brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
whatkiṁ
forcebalaṁ,
whatko
assuranceassāso
that + hereyadettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
made this claimevamāhaṁsu:
only a brahmin‘brāhmaṇova
foremostseṭṭho
classvaṇṇo,
inferiorhīno
otherañño
classvaṇṇo
…pe……pe…
Brahmā's heirsbrahmadāyādā’”ti?
“Even though you say this, still the brahmins maintain their belief.” “What do you think, Assalāyana? Is only a brahmin capable of developing a heart of love, free of enmity and ill will for this region, and not an aristocrat, peasant, or menial?” “No, worthy Gotama. Aristocrats, brahmins, peasants, and menials can all do so. For all four classes are capable of developing a heart of love, free of enmity and ill will for this region.” “Then what is the source of the brahmins’ certainty and forcefulness in this matter that they make this claim?”
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