With Ghoṭamukha · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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Yo
ca
kho
ayaṁ,
bho
udena,
puggalo
nevattantapo
nāttaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
na
parantapo
na
paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
so
anattantapo
aparantapo
diṭṭheva
dhamme
nicchāto
nibbuto
sītībhūto
sukhappaṭisaṁvedī
brahmabhūtena
attanā
viharati,
so
attānañca
parañca
sukhakāmaṁ
dukkhapaṭikkūlaṁ
neva
ātāpeti
na
paritāpeti;
iminā
me
ayaṁ
puggalo
cittaṁ
ārādhetī”ti.
The individual who doesn’t mortify either themselves or others—living without wishes, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss, with self become divine—does not torment themselves or others, both of whom want to be happy and recoil from pain. That’s why I like the sound of that individual.”
“Dvemā,
brāhmaṇa,
parisā.
Katamā
dve?
Idha,
brāhmaṇa,
ekaccā
parisā
sārattarattā
maṇikuṇḍalesu
puttabhariyaṁ
pariyesati,
dāsidāsaṁ
pariyesati,
khettavatthuṁ
pariyesati,
jātarūparajataṁ
pariyesati.
Idha
pana,
brāhmaṇa,
ekaccā
parisā
asārattarattā
maṇikuṇḍalesu
puttabhariyaṁ
pahāya,
dāsidāsaṁ
pahāya,
khettavatthuṁ
pahāya,
jātarūparajataṁ
pahāya,
agārasmā
anagāriyaṁ
pabbajitā.
Svāyaṁ,
brāhmaṇa,
puggalo
nevattantapo
nāttaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
na
parantapo
na
paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto.
So
anattantapo
aparantapo
diṭṭheva
dhamme
nicchāto
nibbuto
sītībhūto
sukhappaṭisaṁvedī
brahmabhūtena
attanā
viharati.
Idha
katamaṁ
tvaṁ,
brāhmaṇa,
puggalaṁ
katamāya
parisāya
bahulaṁ
samanupassasi—
yā
cāyaṁ
parisā
sārattarattā
maṇikuṇḍalesu
puttabhariyaṁ
pariyesati
dāsidāsaṁ
pariyesati
khettavatthuṁ
pariyesati
jātarūparajataṁ
pariyesati,
yā
cāyaṁ
parisā
asārattarattā
maṇikuṇḍalesu
puttabhariyaṁ
pahāya
dāsidāsaṁ
pahāya
khettavatthuṁ
pahāya
jātarūparajataṁ
pahāya
agārasmā
anagāriyaṁ
pabbajitā”ti?
“There are, brahmin, these two groups of people. What two? There’s one group of people who, being obsessed with jeweled earrings, seeks partners and children, male and female bondservants, fields and lands, and gold and currency. And there’s another group of people who, not being obsessed with jeweled earrings, has given up partner and children, male and female bondservants, fields and lands, and gold and currency, and goes forth from the lay life to homelessness. Now, brahmin, that individual who doesn’t mortify either themselves or others— in which of these two groups of people do you usually find such an individual?”
“Yvāyaṁ,
bho
udena,
puggalo
nevattantapo
nāttaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
na
parantapo
na
paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
so
anattantapo
aparantapo
diṭṭheva
dhamme
nicchāto
nibbuto
sītībhūto
sukhappaṭisaṁvedī
brahmabhūtena
attanā
viharati;
imāhaṁ
puggalaṁ
yāyaṁ
parisā
asārattarattā
maṇikuṇḍalesu
puttabhariyaṁ
pahāya
dāsidāsaṁ
pahāya
khettavatthuṁ
pahāya
jātarūparajataṁ
pahāya
agārasmā
anagāriyaṁ
pabbajitā
imissaṁ
parisāyaṁ
bahulaṁ
samanupassāmī”ti.
“I usually find such an individual in the group that has gone forth from the lay life to homelessness.”
“Idāneva
kho
pana
te,
brāhmaṇa,
bhāsitaṁ:
‘mayaṁ
evaṁ
ājānāma—
ambho
samaṇa,
natthi
dhammiko
paribbajo,
evaṁ
me
ettha
hoti.
Tañca
kho
bhavantarūpānaṁ
vā
adassanā,
yo
vā
panettha
dhammo’”ti.
“Addhā
mesā,
bho
udena,
sānuggahā
vācā
bhāsitā.
‘Atthi
dhammiko
paribbajo’—
evaṁ
me
ettha
hoti.
Evañca
pana
maṁ
bhavaṁ
udeno
dhāretu.
Ye
ca
me
bhotā
udenena
cattāro
puggalā
saṅkhittena
vuttā
vitthārena
avibhattā,
sādhu
me
bhavaṁ,
udeno
ime
cattāro
puggale
vitthārena
vibhajatu
anukampaṁ
upādāyā”ti.
“Just now I understood you to say: ‘My ascetic, there is no such thing as a principled renunciate life; that’s what I think. Yet I have not seen honorable ones such as yourself, or a relevant teaching.’” “Well, I obviously had my reasons for saying that, worthy Udena. But there is such a thing as a principled renunciate life. That’s what I think, and that’s how you should remember me. Now, these four individuals that you’ve spoken of in a brief summary: please explain them to me in detail, out of sympathy.”
“Tena
hi,
brāhmaṇa,
suṇāhi,
sādhukaṁ
manasi
karohi,
bhāsissāmī”ti.
“Evaṁ,
bho”ti
kho
ghoṭamukho
brāhmaṇo
āyasmato
udenassa
paccassosi.
Āyasmā
udeno
etadavoca:
“Well then, brahmin, listen and apply your mind well, I will speak.” “Yes, worthy sir,” replied Ghoṭamukha. Udena said this:
“Katamo
ca,
brāhmaṇa,
puggalo
attantapo
attaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto?
Idha,
brāhmaṇa,
ekacco
puggalo
acelako
hoti
muttācāro
hatthāpalekhano
naehibhaddantiko
natiṭṭhabhaddantiko,
nābhihaṭaṁ
na
uddissakataṁ
na
nimantanaṁ
sādiyati.
So
na
kumbhimukhā
paṭiggaṇhāti,
na
kaḷopimukhā
paṭiggaṇhāti,
na
eḷakamantaraṁ,
na
daṇḍamantaraṁ,
na
musalamantaraṁ,
na
dvinnaṁ
bhuñjamānānaṁ,
na
gabbhiniyā,
na
pāyamānāya,
na
purisantaragatāya,
na
saṅkittīsu,
na
yattha
sā
upaṭṭhito
hoti,
na
yattha
makkhikā
saṇḍasaṇḍacārinī,
na
macchaṁ
na
maṁsaṁ,
na
suraṁ
na
merayaṁ
na
thusodakaṁ
pivati.
So
ekāgāriko
vā
hoti
ekālopiko,
dvāgāriko
vā
hoti
dvālopiko
…pe…
sattāgāriko
vā
hoti
sattālopiko;
ekissāpi
dattiyā
yāpeti,
dvīhipi
dattīhi
yāpeti
…pe…
sattahipi
dattīhi
yāpeti;
“What individual mortifies themselves, committed to the practice of mortifying themselves? It’s when an individual goes naked, ignoring conventions. They lick their hands, and don’t come or wait when called. They don’t consent to food brought to them, or food prepared on their behalf, or an invitation for a meal. They don’t receive anything from a pot or bowl; or from someone who keeps sheep, or who has a weapon or a shovel in their home; or where a couple is eating; or where there is a woman who is pregnant, breastfeeding, or who lives with a man; or where there’s a hound waiting or flies buzzing. They accept no fish or meat or beer or wine, and drink no fermented gruel. They go to just one house for alms, taking just one mouthful, or two houses and two mouthfuls, up to seven houses and seven mouthfuls. They feed on one saucer a day, two saucers a day, up to seven saucers a day.
ekāhikampi
āhāraṁ
āhāreti,
dvīhikampi
āhāraṁ
āhāreti
…pe…
sattāhikampi
āhāraṁ
āhāreti—iti
evarūpaṁ
addhamāsikaṁ
pariyāyabhattabhojanānuyogamanuyutto
viharati.
So
sākabhakkho
vā
hoti,
sāmākabhakkho
vā
hoti,
nīvārabhakkho
vā
hoti,
daddulabhakkho
vā
hoti,
haṭabhakkho
vā
hoti,
kaṇabhakkho
vā
hoti,
ācāmabhakkho
vā
hoti,
piññākabhakkho
vā
hoti,
tiṇabhakkho
vā
hoti,
gomayabhakkho
vā
hoti,
vanamūlaphalāhāro
yāpeti
pavattaphalabhojī.
So
sāṇānipi
dhāreti,
masāṇānipi
dhāreti,
chavadussānipi
dhāreti,
paṁsukūlānipi
dhāreti,
tirīṭānipi
dhāreti,
ajinampi
dhāreti,
ajinakkhipampi
dhāreti,
kusacīrampi
dhāreti,
vākacīrampi
dhāreti,
phalakacīrampi
dhāreti,
kesakambalampi
dhāreti,
vāḷakambalampi
dhāreti,
ulūkapakkhampi
dhāreti;
kesamassulocakopi
hoti
kesamassulocanānuyogamanuyutto,
ubbhaṭṭhakopi
hoti
āsanapaṭikkhitto,
ukkuṭikopi
hoti
ukkuṭikappadhānamanuyutto,
kaṇṭakāpassayikopi
hoti
kaṇṭakāpassaye
seyyaṁ
kappeti;
sāyatatiyakampi
udakorohanānuyogamanuyutto
viharati—
iti
evarūpaṁ
anekavihitaṁ
kāyassa
ātāpanaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
viharati.
They eat once a day, once every second day, up to once a week, and so on, even up to once a fortnight. They live committed to the practice of eating food at set intervals. They eat herbs, millet, wild rice, poor rice, water lettuce, rice bran, scum from boiling rice, sesame flour, grass, or cow dung. They survive on forest roots and fruits, or eating fallen fruit. They wear robes of sunn hemp, mixed hemp, corpse-wrapping cloth, rags, lodh tree bark, antelope hide (whole or in strips), kusa grass, bark, wood-chips, human hair, horse-tail hair, or owls’ wings. They tear out their hair and beard, committed to this practice. They constantly stand, turning down seats. They squat, committed to the endeavor of squatting. They lie on a mat of thorns, making a mat of thorns their bed. They’re devoted to ritual bathing three times a day, including at dusk. And so they live committed to practicing these various ways of mortifying and tormenting the body.
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