With Caṅkī · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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is it notnanu thusevaṁ beingsante of the brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ without·rootamūlikā faithsaddhā turns outsampajjatī”ti?
not“Na
herekhvettha,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
faith·justsaddhāyeva
honorpayirupāsanti,
oral transmission·also·hereanussavāpettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
honorpayirupāsantī”ti.
first“Pubbeva
indeedkho
youtvaṁ,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
faithsaddhaṁ
you relied onagamāsi,
oral transmissionanussavaṁ
nowidāni
you speakvadesi.
fivePañca
indeedkho
theseime,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
thingsdhammā
seen·justdiṭṭheva
in this lifedhamme
in two waysdvedhā
turn outvipākā.
whichKatame
fivepañca?
faithSaddhā,
endorsementruci,
oral transmissionanussavo,
reasoned train of thoughtākāraparivitakko,
acceptance of a view after deliberationdiṭṭhinijjhānakkhanti—
theseime
indeedkho,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
fivepañca
thingsdhammā
seen·justdiṭṭheva
in this lifedhamme
in two waysdvedhā
turn outvipākā.
butApi
andca,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
well·believed·justsusaddahitaṁyeva
it ishoti,
that·andtañca
ishoti
vacuousrittaṁ
hollowtucchaṁ
falsemusā;
notno
even ifcepi
well·believedsusaddahitaṁ
it ishoti,
that·andtañca
ishoti
truebhūtaṁ
realtacchaṁ
not otherwiseanaññathā.
butApi
andca,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
well·endorsed·justsurucitaṁyeva
it ishoti
…pe……pe…
well·transmitted·justsvānussutaṁyeva
it ishoti
…pe……pe…
well·thought out·justsuparivitakkitaṁyeva
it ishoti
…pe……pe…
well·deliberated·justsunijjhāyitaṁyeva
it ishoti,
that·andtañca
ishoti
vacuousrittaṁ
hollowtucchaṁ
falsemusā;
notno
even ifcepi
well·deliberatedsunijjhāyitaṁ
it ishoti,
that·andtañca
ishoti
truebhūtaṁ
realtacchaṁ
not otherwiseanaññathā.
preserving truthSaccamanurakkhatā,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
sensibleviññunā
for a personpurisena
sufficient·herenālamettha
categoricallyekaṁsena
to a conclusionniṭṭhaṁ
to comegantuṁ:
this·very‘idameva truthsaccaṁ, anything else is futilemoghamaññan’”ti.
to what extent“Kittāvatā
thenpana,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
truth·preservationsaccānurakkhaṇā
ishoti,
to what extentkittāvatā
preserves the truthsaccamanurakkhati?
truth·preservationSaccānurakkhaṇaṁ
wemayaṁ
worthybhavantaṁ
Gotamagotamaṁ
we askpucchāmā”ti.
faith“Saddhā
ifcepi,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
for a personpurisassa
there ishoti;
thus‘evaṁ
myme
faithsaddhā’ti—
thusiti
speakingvadaṁ
preserves the truthsaccamanurakkhati,
notna
buttveva
yettāva
categoricallyekaṁsena
conclusionniṭṭhaṁ
comesgacchati:
this only‘idameva
truthsaccaṁ,
anything else is futilemoghamaññan’ti
(…)(…).
endorsementRuci
ifcepi,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
for a personpurisassa
there ishoti
…pe……pe…
oral traditionanussavo
ifcepi,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
for a personpurisassa
there ishoti
…pe……pe…
reasoned·reflectionākāraparivitakko
ifcepi,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
for a personpurisassa
there ishoti
…pe……pe…
view·deliberation·acceptancediṭṭhinijjhānakkhanti
ifcepi,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
for a personpurisassa
there ishoti;
thus‘evaṁ
myme
acceptance of a view after deliberationdiṭṭhinijjhānakkhantī’ti—
thusiti
speakingvadaṁ
preserves the truthsaccamanurakkhati,
notna
buttveva
yettāva
categoricallyekaṁsena
conclusionniṭṭhaṁ
comesgacchati:
this only‘idameva
truthsaccaṁ,
anything else is futilemoghamaññan’ti.
to this extentEttāvatā
indeedkho,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
truth·preservationsaccānurakkhaṇā
ishoti,
to this extentettāvatā
preserves the truthsaccamanurakkhati,
to this extentettāvatā
andca
wemayaṁ
truth·preservationsaccānurakkhaṇaṁ
describepaññapema;
notna
buttveva
yettāva
truth·awakeningsaccānubodho
be·quotation markerhotī”ti.
to this extent“Ettāvatā,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
truth + preservationsaccānurakkhaṇā
ishoti,
to this extentettāvatā
preserves truthsaccamanurakkhati,
to this extentettāvatā
andca
wemayaṁ
truth + preservationsaccānurakkhaṇaṁ
we regardpekkhāma.
to what extentKittāvatā
butpana,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
truth + awakeningsaccānubodho
ishoti,
to what extentkittāvatā
awakens to truthsaccamanubujjhati?
about awakening to the truthSaccānubodhaṁ
wemayaṁ
worthybhavantaṁ
Gotamagotamaṁ
we askpucchāmā”ti.
here“Idha,
Bhāradvājabhāradvāja,
a bhikkhubhikkhu
a certainaññataraṁ
villagegāmaṁ
orvā
townnigamaṁ
orvā
supported byupanissāya
dwellsviharati.
himTamenaṁ
a householdergahapati
orvā
a householder's songahapatiputto
orvā
having approachedupasaṅkamitvā
in threetīsu
in qualitiesdhammesu
scrutinizessamannesati—
arousing greedlobhanīyesu
in qualitiesdhammesu,
arousing hatedosanīyesu
in qualitiesdhammesu,
arousing delusionmohanīyesu
in qualitiesdhammesu.
are thereAtthi
thennu
indeedkho
for this venerable oneimassāyasmato
suchtathārūpā
arousing greedlobhanīyā
qualitiesdhammā
such asyathārūpehi
arousing greedlobhanīyehi
by qualitiesdhammehi
with mind overwhelmedpariyādinnacitto
not knowingajānaṁ
orvā
might sayvadeyya—
I knowjānāmīti,
not seeingapassaṁ
orvā
might sayvadeyya—
I seepassāmīti,
anotherparaṁ
orvā
for that purposetadatthāya
might urgesamādapeyya
whichyaṁ
for othersparesaṁ
would beassa
for a long timedīgharattaṁ
for harmahitāya
for sufferingdukkhāyāti?
himTamenaṁ
scrutinizingsamannesamāno
thusevaṁ
knowsjānāti:
there are not‘natthi
indeedkho
for this venerable oneimassāyasmato
suchtathārūpā
arousing greedlobhanīyā
qualitiesdhammā
such asyathārūpehi
arousing greedlobhanīyehi
by qualitiesdhammehi
with mind overwhelmedpariyādinnacitto
not knowingajānaṁ
orvā
might sayvadeyya—
I knowjānāmīti,
not seeingapassaṁ
orvā
might sayvadeyya—
I seepassāmīti,
anotherparaṁ
orvā
for that purposetadatthāya
might urgesamādapeyya
whichyaṁ
for othersparesaṁ
would beassa
for a long timedīgharattaṁ
for harmahitāya
for sufferingdukkhāya.
suchTathārūpo
indeedkho
and for this venerable onepanimassāyasmato
bodily conductkāyasamācāro
suchtathārūpo
verbal conductvacīsamācāro
asyathā
thattaṁ
of one without greedaluddhassa.
whichYaṁ
indeedkho
andpana
this + venerableayamāyasmā
dhammadhammaṁ
teachesdeseti,
deepgambhīro
thatso
dhammadhammo
hard·seeduddaso
hard·understandduranubodho
peacefulsanto
sublimepaṇīto
beyond the scope of logicatakkāvacaro
subtlenipuṇo
comprehensible to the astutepaṇḍitavedanīyo;
notna
thatso
dhammadhammo
easy·teachsudesiyo
for one with greedluddhenā’ti.
whenYato
themnaṁ
together·seekingsamannesamāno
purifiedvisuddhaṁ
that arouse greedlobhanīyehi
of qualitiesdhammehi
they seesamanupassati
nexttato
themnaṁ
furtheruttari
they scrutinizesamannesati
that provoke hatedosanīyesu
in qualities.dhammesu.
is thereAtthi
nownu
indeedkho
of this venerableimassāyasmato
suchtathārūpā
that provoke hatedosanīyā
qualitiesdhammā
such asyathārūpehi
that provoke hatedosanīyehi
by qualitiesdhammehi
mind overwhelmedpariyādinnacitto
not knowingajānaṁ
orvā
might say—vadeyya—
i know,jānāmīti,
not seeingapassaṁ
orvā
might say—vadeyya—
i see,passāmīti,
anotherparaṁ
orvā
for that purposetadatthāya
might encouragesamādapeyya
thatyaṁ
for othersparesaṁ
might beassa
for a long timedīgharattaṁ
to harmahitāya
to suffering?dukkhāyāti?
scrutinizing themTamenaṁ
scrutinizingsamannesamāno
thusevaṁ
they know:jānāti:
there are not‘natthi
indeedkho
of this venerableimassāyasmato
suchtathārūpā
that provoke hatedosanīyā
qualitiesdhammā
such asyathārūpehi
that provoke hatedosanīyehi
by qualitiesdhammehi
mind overwhelmedpariyādinnacitto
not knowingajānaṁ
orvā
might say—vadeyya—
i know,jānāmīti,
not seeingapassaṁ
orvā
might say—vadeyya—
i see,passāmīti,
anotherparaṁ
orvā
for that purposetadatthāya
might encouragesamādapeyya
thatyaṁ
for othersparesaṁ
might beassa
for a long timedīgharattaṁ
to harmahitāya
to suffering.dukkhāya.
suchTathārūpo
indeedkho
now of this venerablepanimassāyasmato
bodily behaviorkāyasamācāro
suchtathārūpo
verbal behaviorvacīsamācāro
asyathā
thattaṁ
of one without hate.aduṭṭhassa.
whatYaṁ
indeedkho
andpana
this venerableayamāyasmā
dhammadhammaṁ
teaches,deseti,
deepgambhīro
thisso
dhammadhammo
hard to seeduddaso
hard to understandduranubodho
peacefulsanto
sublimepaṇīto
beyond the scope of logicatakkāvacaro
subtlenipuṇo
comprehensible to the astute;paṇḍitavedanīyo;
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