With Subha · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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thusEvaṁ
by meme
heardsutaṁ—
oneekaṁ
timesamayaṁ
the Buddhabhagavā
near Sāvatthīsāvatthiyaṁ
was stayingviharati
in Jeta's Grovejetavane
of Anāthapiṇḍikaanāthapiṇḍikassa
monasteryārāme.
So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery.
by thatTena
indeedkho
nowpana
at the timesamayena
Subhasubho
the studentmāṇavo
Todeyya's sontodeyyaputto
in Sāvatthīsāvatthiyaṁ
was residingpaṭivasati
of a certainaññatarassa
of a householdergahapatissa
at homenivesane
on some businesskenacideva
to be donekaraṇīyena.
thenAtha
indeedkho
Subhasubho
the studentmāṇavo
Todeyya's sontodeyyaputto
of whomyassa
of the householdergahapatissa
at homenivesane
was residingpaṭivasati
to thattaṁ
householdergahapatiṁ
said thisetadavoca:
heard“sutaṁ
by memetaṁ,
householdergahapati:
not lacking‘avivittā
Sāvatthīsāvatthī
with perfected onesarahantehī’ti.
whomKaṁ
nownu
todaykhvajja
asceticsamaṇaṁ
orvā
brahminbrāhmaṇaṁ
orvā
might we pay homage topayirupāseyyāmā”ti?
this“Ayaṁ,
sirbhante,
the Blessed Onebhagavā
in Sāvatthīsāvatthiyaṁ
is stayingviharati
in Jeta's Grovejetavane
of Anāthapiṇḍikaanāthapiṇḍikassa
in the monasteryārāme.
to thatTaṁ,
sirbhante,
the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ
you can pay homage topayirupāsassū”ti.
Now at that time the student Subha, Todeyya’s son, was residing in Sāvatthī at a certain householder’s home on some business. Then Subha said to that householder, “Householder, I have heard that Sāvatthī does not lack for perfected ones. What ascetic or brahmin might we pay homage to today?” “Sir, the Buddha is staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. You can pay homage to him.”
thenAtha
indeedkho
Subhasubho
brahmin studentmāṇavo
Todeyya's sontodeyyaputto
thattassa
householdergahapatissa
having acknowledgedpaṭissutvā
whereyena
Blessed Onebhagavā
he approached himtenupasaṅkami;
having approachedupasaṅkamitvā
with the Blessed Onebhagavatā
togethersaddhiṁ
he exchanged greetingssammodi.
greetingSammodanīyaṁ
conversationkathaṁ
politesāraṇīyaṁ
having exchangedvītisāretvā
to one sideekamantaṁ
he sat downnisīdi.
to one sideEkamantaṁ
seatednisinno
indeedkho
Subhasubho
brahmin studentmāṇavo
Todeyya's sontodeyyaputto
to the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ
said thisetadavoca:
Acknowledging that householder, Subha went to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to the Buddha:
brahmins“brāhmaṇā,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
thus they saidevamāhaṁsu:
a layperson‘gahaṭṭho
one who succeedsārādhako
ishoti
in the systemñāyaṁ
of the teachingdhammaṁ
skillfulkusalaṁ,
notna
a renunciatepabbajito
one who succeedsārādhako
ishoti
in the systemñāyaṁ
of the teachingdhammaṁ
skillfulkusalan’ti.
hereIdha
worthybhavaṁ
Gotamagotamo
what do you saykimāhā”ti?
one who speaks after analyzing“Vibhajjavādo
indeedkho
I hereahamettha,
studentmāṇava;
I here notnāhamettha
one-sided speakerekaṁsavādo.
of a laypersonGihissa
or Ivāhaṁ,
studentmāṇava,
of a renunciatepabbajitassa
orvā
wrong practicemicchāpaṭipattiṁ
notna
I praisevaṇṇemi.
a laypersonGihī
orvā
indeedhi,
studentmāṇava,
a renunciatepabbajito
orvā
practicing wronglymicchāpaṭipanno
because of wrong practicemicchāpaṭipattādhikaraṇahetu
notna
one who succeedsārādhako
ishoti
in the systemñāyaṁ
of the teachingdhammaṁ
skillfulkusalaṁ.
of a laypersonGihissa
or Ivāhaṁ,
studentmāṇava,
of a renunciatepabbajitassa
orvā
right practicesammāpaṭipattiṁ
I praisevaṇṇemi.
a laypersonGihī
orvā
indeedhi,
studentmāṇava,
a renunciatepabbajito
orvā
practicing rightlysammāpaṭipanno
because of right practicesammāpaṭipattādhikaraṇahetu
one who succeedsārādhako
ishoti
in the systemñāyaṁ
of the teachingdhammaṁ
skillfulkusalan”ti.
“Worthy Gotama, the brahmins say: ‘Laypeople succeed in the system of the skillful teaching, not renunciates.’ What do you say about this?” “On this point, student, I speak after analyzing the question, not one-sidedly. I don’t praise wrong practice for either laypeople or renunciates. Because of wrong practice, neither laypeople nor renunciates succeed in the system of the skillful teaching. I praise right practice for both laypeople and renunciates. Because of right practice, both laypeople and renunciates succeed in the system of the skillful teaching.”
the brahmins“Brāhmaṇā,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
thus they saidevamāhaṁsu:
this has many obligations‘mahaṭṭhamidaṁ
many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
many issuesmahādhikaraṇaṁ
many undertakingsmahāsamārambhaṁ
the work of the lay lifegharāvāsakammaṭṭhānaṁ
very fruitfulmahapphalaṁ
ishoti;
this has few obligationsappaṭṭhamidaṁ
few dutiesappakiccaṁ
few issuesappādhikaraṇaṁ
few undertakingsappasamārambhaṁ
of the renunciatepabbajjā
the workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
not very fruitfulappaphalaṁ
ishotī’ti.
hereIdha
the worthybhavaṁ
Gotamagotamo
what does he saykimāhā”ti.
on this point too“Etthāpi
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
studentmāṇava,
one who speaks after analyzingvibhajjavādo;
here I do notnāhamettha
one-sided speakerekaṁsavādo.
there isAtthi,
studentmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
many obligationsmahaṭṭhaṁ
many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
many issuesmahādhikaraṇaṁ
many undertakingsmahāsamārambhaṁ,
when failingvipajjamānaṁ
not very fruitfulappaphalaṁ
ishoti;
there isatthi,
studentmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
many obligationsmahaṭṭhaṁ
many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
many issuesmahādhikaraṇaṁ
many undertakingsmahāsamārambhaṁ,
when succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
very fruitfulmahapphalaṁ
ishoti;
there isatthi,
studentmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
few dutiesappakiccaṁ
few issuesappādhikaraṇaṁ
few undertakingsappasamārambhaṁ,
when failingvipajjamānaṁ
not very fruitfulappaphalaṁ
ishoti;
there isatthi,
studentmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
few dutiesappakiccaṁ
few issuesappādhikaraṇaṁ
few undertakingsappasamārambhaṁ
when succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
very fruitfulmahapphalaṁ
ishoti.
“Worthy Gotama, the brahmins say: ‘Since the work of the lay life has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings it is very fruitful. But since the work of the renunciate has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings it is not very fruitful.’ What do you say about this?” “On this point, too, I speak after analyzing the question, not one-sidedly. Some work has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it fails it’s not very fruitful. Some work has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it succeeds it is very fruitful. Some work has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it fails it’s not very fruitful. Some work has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it succeeds it is very fruitful.
and whichKatamañca,
young brahminmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
of many obligationsmahaṭṭhaṁ
of many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
of many issuesmahādhikaraṇaṁ
of many undertakingsmahāsamārambhaṁ
when failingvipajjamānaṁ
of little fruitappaphalaṁ
is ithoti?
farmingKasi
indeedkho,
young brahminmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
of many obligationsmahaṭṭhaṁ
of many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
of many issuesmahādhikaraṇaṁ
of many undertakingsmahāsamārambhaṁ
when failingvipajjamānaṁ
of little fruitappaphalaṁ
is ithoti.
and whichKatamañca,
young brahminmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
of many obligationsmahaṭṭhaṁ
of many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
of many issuesmahādhikaraṇaṁ
of many undertakingsmahāsamārambhaṁ
when succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
of great fruitmahapphalaṁ
is ithoti?
farming indeedKasiyeva
indeedkho,
young brahminmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
of many obligationsmahaṭṭhaṁ
of many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
of many issuesmahādhikaraṇaṁ
of many undertakingsmahāsamārambhaṁ
when succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
of great fruitmahapphalaṁ
is ithoti.
and whichKatamañca,
young brahminmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
of few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
of few dutiesappakiccaṁ
of few issuesappādhikaraṇaṁ
of few undertakingsappasamārambhaṁ
when failingvipajjamānaṁ
of little fruitappaphalaṁ
is ithoti?
tradeVaṇijjā
indeedkho,
young brahminmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
of few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
of few dutiesappakiccaṁ
of few issuesappādhikaraṇaṁ
of few undertakingsappasamārambhaṁ
when failingvipajjamānaṁ
of little fruitappaphalaṁ
is ithoti.
and whichKatamañca,
young brahminmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
of few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
of few dutiesappakiccaṁ
of few issuesappādhikaraṇaṁ
of few undertakingsappasamārambhaṁ
when succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
of great fruitmahapphalaṁ
is ithoti?
trade indeedVaṇijjāyeva
indeedkho,
young brahminmāṇava,
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
of few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
of few dutiesappakiccaṁ
of few issuesappādhikaraṇaṁ
of few undertakingsappasamārambhaṁ
when succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
of great fruitmahapphalaṁ
is ithoti.
And what work has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it fails it’s not very fruitful? Farming. And what work has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it succeeds it is very fruitful? Again, it is farming. And what work has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it fails it’s not very fruitful? Trade. And what work has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it succeeds it is very fruitful? Again, it’s trade.
just asSeyyathāpi,
studentmāṇava,
farmingkasi
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
much obligationmahaṭṭhaṁ
many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
many concernsmahādhikaraṇaṁ
great undertakingmahāsamārambhaṁ
failingvipajjamānaṁ
of little fruitappaphalaṁ
ishoti;
just soevameva
indeedkho,
studentmāṇava,
lay lifegharāvāsakammaṭṭhānaṁ
much obligationmahaṭṭhaṁ
many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
many concernsmahādhikaraṇaṁ
great undertakingmahāsamārambhaṁ
failingvipajjamānaṁ
of little fruitappaphalaṁ
ishoti.
just asSeyyathāpi,
studentmāṇava,
farmingkasiyeva
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
much obligationmahaṭṭhaṁ
many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
many concernsmahādhikaraṇaṁ
great undertakingmahāsamārambhaṁ
succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
very fruitfulmahapphalaṁ
ishoti;
just soevameva
indeedkho,
studentmāṇava,
lay lifegharāvāsakammaṭṭhānaṁ
much obligationmahaṭṭhaṁ
many dutiesmahākiccaṁ
many concernsmahādhikaraṇaṁ
great undertakingmahāsamārambhaṁ
succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
very fruitfulmahapphalaṁ
ishoti.
just asSeyyathāpi,
studentmāṇava,
tradevaṇijjā
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
few dutiesappakiccaṁ
few concernsappādhikaraṇaṁ
small undertakingappasamārambhaṁ
failingvipajjamānaṁ
of little fruitappaphalaṁ
ishoti;
just soevameva
indeedkho,
studentmāṇava,
renunciate lifepabbajjā
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
few dutiesappakiccaṁ
few concernsappādhikaraṇaṁ
small undertakingappasamārambhaṁ
failingvipajjamānaṁ
of little fruitappaphalaṁ
ishoti.
just asSeyyathāpi,
studentmāṇava,
tradevaṇijjāyeva
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
few dutiesappakiccaṁ
few concernsappādhikaraṇaṁ
small undertakingappasamārambhaṁ
succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
very fruitfulmahapphalaṁ
ishoti;
just soevameva
indeedkho,
studentmāṇava,
renunciate lifepabbajjā
workkammaṭṭhānaṁ
few obligationsappaṭṭhaṁ
few dutiesappakiccaṁ
few concernsappādhikaraṇaṁ
small undertakingappasamārambhaṁ
succeedingsampajjamānaṁ
very fruitfulmahapphalaṁ
ishotī”ti.
The lay life is like farming in that it’s work with many obligations and when it fails it’s not very fruitful; but when it succeeds it is very fruitful. The renunciate life is like trade in that it’s work with few obligations and when it fails it’s not very fruitful; but when it succeeds it is very fruitful.”
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