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Majjhima Nikāya 100

Saṅgāravasutta

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thenAtha indeed Ikhvāhaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, whereyena Uddakaudako son of Rāmarāmaputto there I approachedtenupasaṅkamiṁ; having approachedupasaṅkamitvā Uddakaudakaṁ son of Rāmarāmaputtaṁ this I saidetadavocaṁ:
to what extent‘kittāvatā indeedno, friendāvuso, Rāmarāmo thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ oneselfsayaṁ having fully knownabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja I dwell'dviharāmīti he declared'd?pavedesī’ti?
thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, Uddakaudako son of Rāmarāmaputto dimension of neither perception nor non-perceptionnevasaññānāsaññāyatanaṁ declaredpavedesi.
of thatTassa to memayhaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, this occurredetadahosi:
not‘na indeedkho just Rāmarāmasseva hadahosi faithsaddhā, to me also there ismayhampatthi faithsaddhā;
notna indeedkho just Rāmarāmasseva hadahosi energyvīriyaṁ …pe……pe…
mindfulnesssati ……
immersionsamādhi ……
wisdompaññā, to me also there ismayhampatthi wisdompaññā.
why don't IYannūnāhaṁ whichyaṁ teachingdhammaṁ Rāmarāmo oneselfsayaṁ having fully knownabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja I dwell'dviharāmīti declaredpavedesi of thattassa of the teachingdhammassa for the realizationsacchikiriyāya I should strive'd.padaheyyan’ti.
thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, very quicklynacirasseva quickly indeedkhippameva thattaṁ teachingdhammaṁ oneselfsayaṁ having fully knownabhiññā having realizedsacchikatvā having attainedupasampajja I livedvihāsiṁ.

thenAtha indeed Ikhvāhaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, whereyena Uddakaudako son of Rāmarāmaputto there I approachedtenupasaṅkamiṁ; having approachedupasaṅkamitvā Uddakaudakaṁ son of Rāmarāmaputtaṁ this I saidetadavocaṁ:
up to this point‘ettāvatā for usno, reverendāvuso, Rāmarāmo thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ with his own insightsayaṁ having realizedabhiññā having achievedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja had he declaredpavedesī’ti?
up to this point‘Ettāvatā indeedkho, reverendāvuso, Rāmarāmo thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ with his own insightsayaṁ having realizedabhiññā having achievedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja he declaredpavedesī’ti.
I too‘Ahampi indeedkho, reverendāvuso, up to this pointettāvatā thisimaṁ teachingdhammaṁ with my own insightsayaṁ having realizedabhiññā having achievedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja I liveviharāmī’ti.
fortunate‘Lābhā for usno, reverendāvuso, well gainedsuladdhaṁ for usno, reverendāvuso,
whoye wemayaṁ venerableāyasmantaṁ suchtādisaṁ spiritual companionsabrahmacāriṁ we seepassāma.
thusIti whichyaṁ teachingdhammaṁ Rāmarāmo with his own insightsayaṁ having realizedabhiññā having achievedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja he declaredpavedesi thattaṁ youtvaṁ teachingdhammaṁ with your own insightsayaṁ having realizedabhiññā having achievedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja you dwellviharasi;
whichyaṁ youtvaṁ teachingdhammaṁ with your own insightsayaṁ having realizedabhiññā having achievedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja you dwellviharasi thattaṁ teachingdhammaṁ Rāmarāmo with his own insightsayaṁ having realizedabhiññā having achievedsacchikatvā having achievedupasampajja he declaredpavedesi.

thusIti whicheveryaṁ teachingdhammaṁ Rāmarāmo directly knewabhiññāsi thattaṁ youtvaṁ teachingdhammaṁ know,jānāsi, whicheveryaṁ youtvaṁ teachingdhammaṁ knowjānāsi thattaṁ teachingdhammaṁ Rāmarāmo directly knew.abhiññāsi.
thusIti asyādiso Rāmarāmo wasahosi suchtādiso you,tuvaṁ, asyādiso youtuvaṁ suchtādiso Rāmarāmo was.ahosi.
comeEhi now,dāni, reverend,āvuso, youtuvaṁ thisimaṁ communitygaṇaṁ should lead.'pariharā’ti.
thusIti indeed,kho, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, Uddakaudako son of Rāmarāmaputto spiritual companionsabrahmacārī myme beingsamāno in the position of a tutorācariyaṭṭhāne memaṁ placed,ṭhapesi, with highuḷārāya andca memaṁ praisepūjāya honored.pūjesi.
of thatTassa of me,mayhaṁ, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, this occurred:etadahosi:
'this‘nāyaṁ teachingdhammo to disillusionmentnibbidāya notna to dispassionvirāgāya notna to cessationnirodhāya notna to peaceupasamāya notna to insightabhiññāya notna to awakeningsambodhāya notna to extinguishmentnibbānāya leads,saṁvattati, only as far asyāvadeva rebirth in the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception.'nevasaññānāsaññāyatanūpapattiyā’ti.
thatSo indeedkho I,ahaṁ, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, thattaṁ teachingdhammaṁ not satisfyinganalaṅkaritvā from thattasmā teachingdhammā disillusionednibbijja I left.apakkamiṁ.

thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, seeking what is skillfulkiṅkusalagavesī supremeanuttaraṁ state of sublime peacesantivarapadaṁ seekingpariyesamāno in the Magadhan landsmagadhesu stage by stageanupubbena wanderingcārikaṁ travelingcaramāno whereyena Uruvelāuruvelā town of Senāsenānigamo I arrived attadavasariṁ.
there I sawTatthaddasaṁ delightfulramaṇīyaṁ parkbhūmibhāgaṁ, and lovelypāsādikañca grovevanasaṇḍaṁ, and rivernadiñca flowingsandantiṁ cleansetakaṁ with smooth bankssupatitthaṁ charmingramaṇīyaṁ, nearbysamantā andca village to resort to for almsgocaragāmaṁ.
to meTassa to memayhaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, this occurredetadahosi:
delightful‘ramaṇīyo trulyvata sirbho parkbhūmibhāgo, lovelypāsādiko andca grovevanasaṇḍo, rivernadī andca flowssandati cleansetakā with smooth bankssupatitthā charmingramaṇīyā, nearbysamantā andca village to resort to for almsgocaragāmo.
enoughAlaṁ truly thisvatidaṁ of a gentlemankulaputtassa wanting to strivepadhānatthikassa for strivingpadhānāyā’ti.
thatSo indeedkho Iahaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, right theretattheva I sat downnisīdiṁ:
this is enough‘alamidaṁ for strivingpadhānāyā’ti.

and thenApissu me,maṁ, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, threetisso similesupamā occurredpaṭibhaṁsu not supernaturally inspiredanacchariyā beforepubbe not learned beforeassutapubbā.
supposeSeyyathāpi, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja, greenallaṁ logkaṭṭhaṁ sappysasnehaṁ in waterudake lyingnikkhittaṁ.
thenAtha a personpuriso comes alongāgaccheyya a drill-stickuttarāraṇiṁ takingādāya:
fire‘aggiṁ I will lightabhinibbattessāmi, heattejo I will producepātukarissāmī’ti.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Bhāradvāja,bhāradvāja,
indeedapi nownu thatso personpuriso thatamuṁ greenallaṁ logkaṭṭhaṁ sappysasnehaṁ in waterudake lyingnikkhittaṁ a drill-stickuttarāraṇiṁ takingādāya drillingabhimanthento fireaggiṁ could lightabhinibbatteyya, heattejo could producepātukareyyā”ti?
no“No indeedhidaṁ, worthybho Gotama.gotama.
thatTaṁ whykissa is thathetu?
becauseAduñhi, worthybho Gotama,gotama, greenallaṁ logkaṭṭhaṁ sappysasnehaṁ, and ittañca thenpana in waterudake lyingnikkhittaṁ;
eventuallyyāvadeva andca thenpana thatso personpuriso wearinesskilamathassa frustrationvighātassa will getbhāgī will beassā”ti.

just so“Evameva indeedkho, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, whoye forhi anykeci asceticssamaṇā orvā brahminsbrāhmaṇā orvā in bodykāyena and alsoceva in mindcittena andca from sensual pleasureskāmehi not withdrawnavūpakaṭṭhā they liveviharanti, thatyo andca theirnesaṁ in sensual pleasureskāmesu desire for sensual pleasureskāmacchando affection for sensual pleasureskāmasneho infatuation with sensual pleasureskāmamucchā thirst for sensual pleasureskāmapipāsā passion for sensual pleasureskāmapariḷāho thatso andca internallyajjhattaṁ notna well given upsuppahīno ishoti notna well stilledsuppaṭippassaddho, due to exertionopakkamikā even ifcepi thesete sirsbhonto ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā severekharā acutekaṭukā feelingsvedanā they experiencevedayanti, they are indeed incapableabhabbāva theyte of knowledgeñāṇāya of visiondassanāya supremeanuttarāya of awakeningsambodhāya. notNo even ifcepi thesete sirsbhonto ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇā due to exertionopakkamikā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā severekharā acutekaṭukā feelingsvedanā they experiencevedayanti they are indeed incapableabhabbāva theyte of knowledgeñāṇāya of visiondassanāya supremeanuttarāya of awakeningsambodhāya.
thisAyaṁ indeedkho to memaṁ, Bhāradvājabhāradvāja, firstpaṭhamā exampleupamā occurredpaṭibhāsi uninspiredanacchariyā previouslypubbe never heard beforeassutapubbā.

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