The Longer Discourse With Saccaka · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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thenAtha
indeed·Ikhvāhaṁ,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
whereyena
Uddakaudako
son of Rāmarāmaputto
there·approachedtenupasaṅkamiṁ;
up to·goupasaṅkamitvā
Uddakaudakaṁ
son of Rāmarāmaputtaṁ
this·saidetadavocaṁ:
to this extent‘ettāvatā
for usno
reverendāvuso
Rāmarāmo
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
himselfsayaṁ
with higher knowledgeabhiññā
with one's own eyes·madesacchikatvā
up to·attainedupasampajja
declared?pavedesī’ti?
to this extent‘Ettāvatā
indeedkho
reverendāvuso
Rāmarāmo
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
himselfsayaṁ
with higher knowledgeabhiññā
with one's own eyes·madesacchikatvā
up to·attainedupasampajja
had declared.pavedesī’ti.
I too‘Ahampi
indeed,kho,
reverend,āvuso,
to this extentettāvatā
thisimaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
himselfsayaṁ
with higher knowledgeabhiññā
with one's own eyes·madesacchikatvā
up to·attainedupasampajja
I dwell.viharāmī’ti.
gains‘Lābhā
for us,no,
reverend,āvuso,
well·gainedsuladdhaṁ
for us,no,
reverend,āvuso,
whoye
wemayaṁ
venerableāyasmantaṁ
suchtādisaṁ
fellow·spiritual companionsabrahmacāriṁ
we see.passāma.
thusIti
whichyaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
himselfsayaṁ
with higher knowledgeabhiññā
with one's own eyes·madesacchikatvā
up to·attainedupasampajja
declared,pavedesi,
thattaṁ
youtvaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
himselfsayaṁ
with higher knowledgeabhiññā
with one's own eyes·madesacchikatvā
up to·attainedupasampajja
you dwell;viharasi;
whichyaṁ
youtvaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
himselfsayaṁ
with higher knowledgeabhiññā
with one's own eyes·madesacchikatvā
up to·attainedupasampajja
you dwell,viharasi,
thattaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
himselfsayaṁ
with higher knowledgeabhiññā
with one's own eyes·madesacchikatvā
up to·attainedupasampajja
declared.pavedesi.
thusIti
whichyaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
directly·knowabhiññāsi
thattaṁ
youtvaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
know;jānāsi;
whichyaṁ
youtvaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
knowjānāsi
thattaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
Rāmarāmo
directly·knowabhiññāsi.
thusIti
likeyādiso
Rāmarāmo
wasahosi
like thattādiso
you;tuvaṁ;
likeyādiso
youtuvaṁ
like thattādiso
Rāmarāmo
was.ahosi.
comeEhi
now,dāni,
reverend,āvuso,
youtuvaṁ
thisimaṁ
communitygaṇaṁ
should lead.'pariharā’ti.
thusIti
indeed,kho,
Aggivessana,aggivessana,
Uddakaudako
Rāma·sonrāmaputto
together·spiritual-lifesabrahmacārī
myme
together·besamāno
tutor·positionācariyaṭṭhāne
andca
memaṁ
placed,ṭhapesi,
highuḷārāya
andca
memaṁ
with praisepūjāya
honored.pūjesi.
thenTassa
to me,mayhaṁ,
Aggivessana,aggivessana,
this·occuretadahosi:
'this‘nāyaṁ
teachingdhammo
to disillusionment,nibbidāya
notna
to dispassion,virāgāya
notna
to cessation,nirodhāya
notna
to peace,upasamāya
notna
to insight,abhiññāya
notna
to awakening,sambodhāya
notna
to extinguishment,nibbānāya
leads,saṁvattati,
only as far asyāvadeva
to rebirth in the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception.'nevasaññānāsaññāyatanūpapattiyā’ti.
thatSo
indeedkho
I,ahaṁ,
Aggivessana,aggivessana,
thattaṁ
teachingdhammaṁ
not·adequateanalaṅkaritvā
from thattasmā
teachingdhammā
disappointed,nibbijja
away·goapakkamiṁ.
thatSo
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
seeking what is skillfulkiṅkusalagavesī
supremeanuttaraṁ
peace·excellentsantivarapadaṁ
seekingpariyesamāno
in the Magadhan landsmagadhesu
stage by stageanupubbena
wanderingcārikaṁ
travelingcaramāno
whereyena
Uruvelāuruvelā
the town of Senāsenānigamo
I arrived attadavasariṁ.
there I sawTatthaddasaṁ
delightfulramaṇīyaṁ
parkbhūmibhāgaṁ,
lovelypāsādikañca
grovevanasaṇḍaṁ,
rivernadiñca
flowingsandantiṁ
cleansetakaṁ
good·fordsupatitthaṁ
charmingramaṇīyaṁ,
nearbysamantā
andca
village to resort to for almsgocaragāmaṁ.
to meTassa
to memayhaṁ,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
this occurredetadahosi:
delightful‘ramaṇīyo
trulyvata
sirbho
parkbhūmibhāgo,
lovelypāsādiko
andca
grovevanasaṇḍo,
rivernadī
andca
flowssandati
cleansetakā
good·fordsupatitthā
charmingramaṇīyā,
nearbysamantā
andca
village to resort to for almsgocaragāmo.
enoughAlaṁ
truly thisvatidaṁ
for a gentlemankulaputtassa
wanting to strivepadhānatthikassa
for strivingpadhānāyā’ti.
thatSo
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
right theretattheva
I sat downnisīdiṁ
this is enough‘alamidaṁ
for strivingpadhānāyā’ti.
and then theseApissumaṁ,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
threetisso
similesupamā
occurredpaṭibhaṁsu
not·wonderfulanacchariyā
in the pastpubbe
not heard beforeassutapubbā.
supposeSeyyathāpi,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
with·sapsasnehaṁ
in waterudake
lyingnikkhittaṁ.
thenAtha
a personpuriso
to·goāgaccheyya
drill-stickuttarāraṇiṁ
having takenādāya:
fire‘aggiṁ
I will produceabhinibbattessāmi,
heattejo
I will make appearpātukarissāmī’ti.
thatTaṁ
whatkiṁ
do you thinkmaññasi,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
apiapi
nunu
thatso
personpuriso
thatamuṁ
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
sappysasnehaṁ,
in waterudake
lyingnikkhittaṁ,
drill-stickuttarāraṇiṁ
to·givenādāya
against·drillingabhimanthento
fireaggiṁ
could produceabhinibbatteyya,
heattejo
could make appearpātukareyyā”ti?
no“No
indeedhidaṁ,
worthybho
Gotamagotama”.
that“Taṁ
of whatkissa
causehetu”?
because“Aduñhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
sappysasnehaṁ,
and thattañca
andpana
in waterudake
lyingnikkhittaṁ.
eventuallyYāvadeva
andca
andpana
thatso
personpuriso
of wearinesskilamathassa
of frustrationvighātassa
a partakerbhāgī
would beassā”ti.
just so“Evameva
indeedkho,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
whoye
forhi
who·anykeci
asceticssamaṇā
orvā
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
orvā
in bodykāyena
and·justceva
in mindcittena
andca
from sensual pleasureskāmehi
not·withdrawnavūpakaṭṭhā
they dwellviharanti,
whichyo
andca
theirnesaṁ
in sensual pleasureskāmesu
desire for sensual pleasureskāmacchando
sensual-pleasure·affectionkāmasneho
sensual-pleasure·infatuationkāmamucchā
sensual-pleasure·thirstkāmapipāsā
passion for sensual pleasureskāmapariḷāho,
thatso
andca
internallyajjhattaṁ
notna
well·give-upsuppahīno
ishoti,
notna
well stilledsuppaṭippassaddho,
due to exertionopakkamikā
if·evencepi
thosete
mastersbhonto
ascetic·brahminsamaṇabrāhmaṇā
painfuldukkhā
sharptibbā
severekharā
acutekaṭukā
feelingsvedanā
they feelvedayanti,
not·capable·indeedabhabbāva
theyte
of knowledgeñāṇāya
of visiondassanāya
not·higheranuttarāya
of awakeningsambodhāya.
notNo
if·evencepi
thosete
mastersbhonto
ascetic·brahminsamaṇabrāhmaṇā
due to exertionopakkamikā
painfuldukkhā
sharptibbā
severekharā
acutekaṭukā
feelingsvedanā
they feelvedayanti,
not·capable·indeedabhabbāva
theyte
of knowledgeñāṇāya
of visiondassanāya
not·higheranuttarāya
of awakeningsambodhāya.
thisAyaṁ
indeedkho
to memaṁ,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
firstpaṭhamā
exampleupamā
back·appearpaṭibhāsi
not·extraordinaryanacchariyā
beforepubbe
previously unheardassutapubbā.
another alsoAparāpi
indeedkho
memaṁ,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
seconddutiyā
exampleupamā
occurred topaṭibhāsi
uninspiringanacchariyā
beforepubbe
never heard beforeassutapubbā.
supposeSeyyathāpi,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
sappysasnehaṁ,
far fromārakā
waterudakā
on dry landthale
lyingnikkhittaṁ.
thenAtha
personpuriso
would comeāgaccheyya
upper·fire-stickuttarāraṇiṁ
having takenādāya:
fire‘aggiṁ
I will produceabhinibbattessāmi,
heattejo
I will make manifestpātukarissāmī’ti.
thatTaṁ
whatkiṁ
do you thinkmaññasi,
Aggivessanaaggivessana,
thenapi
is it thatnu
thatso
personpuriso
thatamuṁ
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
sappysasnehaṁ,
far fromārakā
waterudakā
on dry landthale
lyingnikkhittaṁ,
upper·fire-stickuttarāraṇiṁ
having takenādāya
forth·churningabhimanthento
fireaggiṁ
forth·out·produceabhinibbatteyya
heattejo
would make manifestpātukareyyā”ti?
no“No
indeed thishidaṁ,
worthybho
Gotamagotama”.
that“Taṁ
of whatkissa
is the reasonhetu”?
for indeed that“Aduñhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
greenallaṁ
logkaṭṭhaṁ
sappysasnehaṁ,
even thoughkiñcāpi
far fromārakā
waterudakā
on dry landthale
lyingnikkhittaṁ.
as long + justYāvadeva
andca
furtherpana
thatso
personpuriso
of wearinesskilamathassa
of frustrationvighātassa
sharerbhāgī
would beassā”ti.
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