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this person whoYopāyaṁ,
venerable sirbhante,
personpuggalo
self-tormentingattantapo
andca
devoted to the practice of self-mortificationattaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
other-tormentingparantapo
andca
devoted to the practice of mortifying othersparaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto,
this one tooayampi
myme
personpuggalo
mindcittaṁ
does not satisfynārādheti.
whoYo
andca
indeedkho
thisayaṁ,
venerable sirbhante,
personpuggalo
neither self-tormentingnevattantapo
not devoted to the practice of self-mortificationnāttaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
notna
other-tormentingparantapo
notna
devoted to the practice of mortifying othersparaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto,
heso
not self-tormentinganattantapo
not other-tormentingaparantapo
in this very lifediṭṭheva
in the dhammadhamme
hungerlessnicchāto
quenchednibbuto
become coolsītībhūto
experiencing happinesssukhappaṭisaṁvedī
with a self become divinebrahmabhūtena
with a selfattanā
he dwellsviharati—
this very oneayameva
myme
personpuggalo
mindcittaṁ
satisfiesārādhetī”ti.
I only like the sound of the last individual, who doesn’t mortify either themselves or others.”
why“Kasmā
thenpana
to youte,
servantpessa,
theseime
threetayo
individualspuggalā
mindcittaṁ
do not satisfynārādhentī”ti?
that individual“Yvāyaṁ,
sirbhante,
individualpuggalo
self-mortifyingattantapo
devoted to self-mortificationattaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
heso
himselfattānaṁ
desiring happinesssukhakāmaṁ
recoiling from paindukkhapaṭikkūlaṁ
mortifiesātāpeti
tormentsparitāpeti—
by thisiminā
myme
thisayaṁ
individualpuggalo
mindcittaṁ
does not satisfynārādheti.
that individualYopāyaṁ,
sirbhante,
individualpuggalo
other-mortifyingparantapo
devoted to mortifying othersparaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
heso
anotherparaṁ
desiring happinesssukhakāmaṁ
recoiling from paindukkhapaṭikkūlaṁ
mortifiesātāpeti
tormentsparitāpeti—
by thisiminā
myme
thisayaṁ
individualpuggalo
mindcittaṁ
does not satisfynārādheti.
that individualYopāyaṁ,
sirbhante,
individualpuggalo
self-mortifyingattantapo
andca
devoted to self-mortificationattaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
other-mortifyingparantapo
andca
devoted to mortifying othersparaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
heso
himself andattānañca
another andparañca
desiring happinesssukhakāmaṁ
recoiling from paindukkhapaṭikkūlaṁ
mortifiesātāpeti
tormentsparitāpeti—
by thisiminā
myme
thisayaṁ
individualpuggalo
mindcittaṁ
does not satisfynārādheti.
whoYo
andca
indeedkho
thisayaṁ,
sirbhante,
individualpuggalo
not self-mortifyingnevattantapo
not devoted to self-mortificationnāttaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
notna
other-mortifyingparantapo
notna
not devoted to mortifying othersparaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
heso
not self-mortifyinganattantapo
not other-mortifyingaparantapo
in this very lifediṭṭheva
in the Dhammadhamme
without wishesnicchāto
quenchednibbuto
cooledsītībhūto
experiencing blisssukhappaṭisaṁvedī
with self become divinebrahmabhūtena
with selfattanā
he livesviharati;
heso
himself andattānañca
another andparañca
desiring happinesssukhakāmaṁ
recoiling from paindukkhapaṭikkūlaṁ
neitherneva
mortifiesātāpeti
notna
tormentsparitāpeti—
“But why don’t you like the sound of those three individuals?” “Sir, the individual who mortifies themselves does so even though they want to be happy and recoil from pain. That’s why I don’t like the sound of that individual. The individual who mortifies others does so even though others want to be happy and recoil from pain. That’s why I don’t like the sound of that individual. The individual who mortifies themselves and others does so even though both themselves and others want to be happy and recoil from pain. That’s why I don’t like the sound of that individual. The individual who doesn’t mortify either themselves or others—living without wishes, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss, with self become divine—does not torment themselves or others, both of whom want to be happy and recoil from pain.
by thisiminā
to meme
thisayaṁ
personpuggalo
mindcittaṁ
pleasesārādheti.
well nowHanda
andca
nowdāni
wemayaṁ,
sirbhante,
we gogacchāma;
having many dutiesbahukiccā
wemayaṁ
having much to dobahukaraṇīyā”ti.
now it is time for you“Yassadāni
youtvaṁ,
Pessapessa,
timekālaṁ
you thinkmaññasī”ti.
thenAtha
indeedkho
Pessapesso
elephant marshal's sonhatthārohaputto
of the Blessed Onebhagavato
speechbhāsitaṁ
having approvedabhinanditvā
having agreedanumoditvā
having risen from his seatuṭṭhāyāsanā
the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ
having bowedabhivādetvā
respectfully circlingpadakkhiṇaṁ
having donekatvā
he leftpakkāmi.
That’s why I like the sound of that individual. Well, now, sir, I must go. I have many duties, and much to do.” “Please, Pessa, go at your convenience.” And then Pessa the elephant marshal’s son approved and agreed with what the Buddha said. He got up from his seat, bowed and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right, before leaving.
thenAtha
indeedkho
the Blessed Onebhagavā
not long after he had leftacirapakkante
Pessapesse
the elephant marshal's sonhatthārohaputte
the mendicantsbhikkhū
he addressed:āmantesi:
"astute,“paṇḍito,
mendicants,bhikkhave,
Pessapesso
the elephant marshal's son;hatthārohaputto;
of great wisdom,mahāpañño,
mendicants,bhikkhave,
Pessapesso
the elephant marshal's son.hatthārohaputto.
If,Sace,
mendicants,bhikkhave,
Pessapesso
the elephant marshal's sonhatthārohaputto
an hourmuhuttaṁ
would sitnisīdeyya
as long as Iyāvassāhaṁ
theseime
fourcattāro
individualspuggale
in detailvitthārena
would analyzevibhajissāmi,
with greatmahatā
benefitatthena
connectedsaṁyutto
he would have beenabhavissa.
StillApi
but,ca,
mendicants,bhikkhave,
even with this muchettāvatāpi
Pessapesso
the elephant marshal's sonhatthārohaputto
with greatmahatā
benefitatthena
connected"saṁyutto”ti.
"For this,“Etassa,
Blessed One,bhagavā,
it is the time,kālo,
for this,etassa,
Holy One,sugata,
it is the time,kālo,
thatyaṁ
the Blessed Onebhagavā
theseime
fourcattāro
individualspuggale
in detailvitthārena
should analyze.vibhajeyya.
Having heard from the Blessed OneBhagavato
having heardsutvā
the mendicantsbhikkhū
will remember"dhāressantī”ti.
"Well then,“Tena
then,hi,
mendicants,bhikkhave,
listen,suṇātha,
wellsādhukaṁ
apply your mindmanasi
do,karotha,
I will speak"bhāsissāmī”ti.
"Yes,“Evaṁ,
sir,"bhante”ti
indeedkho
thosete
mendicantsbhikkhū
to the Blessed Onebhagavato
replied.paccassosuṁ.
The Blessed OneBhagavā
said this:etadavoca:
Then, not long after he had left, the Buddha addressed the mendicants: “Mendicants, Pessa the elephant marshal’s son is astute. He has great wisdom. If he had sat here an hour so that I could have analyzed these four individuals in detail, he would have greatly benefited. Still, even with this much he has already greatly benefited.” “Now is the time, Blessed One! Now is the time, Holy One! May the Buddha analyze these four individuals in detail. The mendicants will listen and remember it.” “Well then, mendicants, listen and apply your mind well, I will speak.” “Yes, sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:
what“Katamo
andca,
monksbhikkhave,
individualpuggalo
self-mortifyingattantapo
committed to the practice of mortifying themselvesattaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto?
hereIdha,
monksbhikkhave,
a certainekacco
individualpuggalo
goes nakedacelako
ishoti
of loose habitsmuttācāro
licking the handshatthāpalekhano
does not come when callednaehibhaddantiko
does not wait when callednatiṭṭhabhaddantiko;
food brought to themnābhihaṭaṁ
notna
food prepared for themuddissakataṁ
notna
an invitationnimantanaṁ
they consent tosādiyati;
theyso
notna
from a potkumbhimukhā
receivepaṭiggaṇhāti
notna
from a bowlkaḷopimukhā
receivepaṭiggaṇhāti
notna
from someone who keeps sheepeḷakamantaraṁ
notna
from someone with a weapondaṇḍamantaraṁ
notna
from someone with a shovelmusalamantaraṁ
notna
of twodvinnaṁ
eatingbhuñjamānānaṁ
notna
from a pregnant womangabbhiniyā
notna
from a breastfeeding womanpāyamānāya
notna
from a woman living with a manpurisantaragatāya
notna
where there is a houndsaṅkittīsu
notna
whereyattha
theresā
waitingupaṭṭhito
ishoti
notna
whereyattha
fliesmakkhikā
buzzing aroundsaṇḍasaṇḍacārinī;
notna
fishmacchaṁ
notna
meatmaṁsaṁ
notna
beersuraṁ
notna
winemerayaṁ
notna
fermented gruelthusodakaṁ
they drinkpivati.
theySo
one-houseekāgāriko
orvā
arehoti
one-mouthfulekālopiko,
two-housedvāgāriko
orvā
arehoti
two-mouthfuldvālopiko
omission…pe…
seven-housesattāgāriko
orvā
arehoti
seven-mouthfulsattālopiko;
even one saucerekissāpi
with a saucerdattiyā
they feedyāpeti,
even two saucersdvīhipi
with saucersdattīhi
they feedyāpeti
omission…pe…
even seven saucerssattahipi
with saucersdattīhi
they feedyāpeti;
“And what individual mortifies themselves, committed to the practice of mortifying themselves? It’s when an individual goes naked, ignoring conventions. They lick their hands, and don’t come or wait when called. They don’t consent to food brought to them, or food prepared for them, or an invitation for a meal. They don’t receive anything from a pot or bowl; or from someone who keeps sheep, or who has a weapon or a shovel in their home; or where a couple is eating; or where there is a woman who is pregnant, breastfeeding, or who lives with a man; or where there’s a hound waiting or flies buzzing. They accept no fish or meat or beer or wine, and drink no fermented gruel. They go to just one house for alms, taking just one mouthful, or two houses and two mouthfuls, up to seven houses and seven mouthfuls. They feed on one saucer a day, two saucers a day, up to seven saucers a day.
even one-dayekāhikampi
foodāhāraṁ
eatsāhāreti,
even two-daydvīhikampi
foodāhāraṁ
eatsāhāreti
and so on…pe…
even seven-daysattāhikampi
foodāhāraṁ
eats—thusāhāreti—iti
suchevarūpaṁ
fortnightlyaḍḍhamāsikaṁ
committed to the practice of eating only at set intervalspariyāyabhattabhojanānuyogamanuyutto
livesviharati.
heSo
eating vegetablessākabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating milletsāmākabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating wild ricenīvārabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating poor ricedaddulabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating water lettucehaṭabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating rice brankaṇabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating rice scumācāmabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating sesame flourpiññākabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating grasstiṇabhakkho
orvā
ishoti,
eating cow dunggomayabhakkho
orvā
ishoti;
eating forest roots and fruitsvanamūlaphalāhāro
survivesyāpeti
eating fallen fruitpavattaphalabhojī.
heSo
sunn hemp robes toosāṇānipi
wearsdhāreti,
mixed hemp robes toomasāṇānipi
wearsdhāreti,
corpse-wrapping cloth robes toochavadussānipi
wearsdhāreti,
rag robes toopaṁsukūlānipi
wearsdhāreti,
lodh tree bark robes tootirīṭānipi
wearsdhāreti,
antelope hide tooajinampi
wearsdhāreti,
antelope-hide strips tooajinakkhipampi
wearsdhāreti,
kusa grass robes tookusacīrampi
wearsdhāreti,
bark robes toovākacīrampi
wearsdhāreti,
wood-chip robes toophalakacīrampi
wearsdhāreti,
human-hair blanket tookesakambalampi
wearsdhāreti,
horse-tail hair blanket toovāḷakambalampi
wearsdhāreti,
owls' wings tooulūkapakkhampi
wearsdhāreti;
hair-and-beard pulling out tookesamassulocakopi
ishoti,
committed to the practice of pulling out hair and beardkesamassulocanānuyogamanuyutto,
constantly standing tooubbhaṭṭhakopi
ishoti
turning down seatsāsanapaṭikkhitto,
squatting tooukkuṭikopi
ishoti
committed to the endeavor of squattingukkuṭikappadhānamanuyutto,
lying on a thorn mat tookaṇṭakāpassayikopi
ishoti
on a thorn matkaṇṭakāpassaye
bedseyyaṁ
makeskappeti;
dusk third toosāyatatiyakampi
committed to the practice of water-immersionudakorohanānuyogamanuyutto
lives—viharati—
thusiti
suchevarūpaṁ
variousanekavihitaṁ
of the bodykāyassa
committed to the practice of mortifying and tormentingātāpanaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto
lives.viharati.
They eat once a day, once every second day, up to once a week, and so on, even up to once a fortnight. They live committed to the practice of eating food at set intervals. They eat herbs, millet, wild rice, poor rice, water lettuce, rice bran, scum from boiling rice, sesame flour, grass, or cow dung. They survive on forest roots and fruits, or eating fallen fruit. They wear robes of sunn hemp, mixed hemp, corpse-wrapping cloth, rags, lodh tree bark, antelope hide (whole or in strips), kusa grass, bark, wood-chips, human hair, horse-tail hair, or owls’ wings. They tear out their hair and beard, committed to this practice. They constantly stand, turning down seats. They squat, committed to the endeavor of squatting. They lie on a mat of thorns, making a mat of thorns their bed. They’re devoted to ritual bathing three times a day, including at dusk. And so they live committed to practicing these various ways of mortifying and tormenting the body.
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