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thusEvaṁ
by meme
heardsutaṁ—
oneekaṁ
timesamayaṁ
the Blessed Onebhagavā
near Nāḷandānāḷandāyaṁ
was stayingviharati
Pāvārika·mango·grovepāvārikambavane.
So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Nāḷandā in Pāvārika’s Mango Grove.
at thatTena
indeedkho
thenpana
at the timesamayena
without·bondnigaṇṭho
Ñātika·sonnāṭaputto
at Nāḷandānāḷandāyaṁ
against·dwellpaṭivasati
with a largemahatiyā
Jain ascetic·assemblynigaṇṭhaparisāya
together withsaddhiṁ.
thenAtha
indeedkho
long·asceticdīghatapassī
without·bondnigaṇṭho
at Nāḷandānāḷandāyaṁ
for almspiṇḍāya
having wanderedcaritvā
after·mealpacchābhattaṁ
almsround·returnedpiṇḍapātapaṭikkanto
whereyena
Pāvārika’s Mango Grovepāvārikambavanaṁ
whereyena
the Blessed Onebhagavā
approached him theretenupasaṅkami;
having approachedupasaṅkamitvā
with the Blessed Onebhagavatā
together withsaddhiṁ
exchanged greetingssammodi.
greetingSammodanīyaṁ
conversationkathaṁ
politesāraṇīyaṁ
having exchangedvītisāretvā
one·sideekamantaṁ
stoodaṭṭhāsi.
to one sideEkamantaṁ
standingṭhitaṁ
indeedkho
long·asceticdīghatapassiṁ
without·bondnigaṇṭhaṁ
the Blessed Onebhagavā
said this to himetadavoca:
there are“saṁvijjanti
indeedkho,
Tapassītapassi,
seatsāsanāni;
ifsace
you wishākaṅkhasi
sitnisīdā”ti.
At that time the Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan was residing at Nāḷandā together with a large assembly of Jain ascetics. Then the Jain ascetic Dīgha Tapassī wandered for alms in Nāḷandā. After the meal, on his return from almsround, he went to Pāvārika’s Mango Grove. There he approached the Buddha, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he stood to one side. The Buddha said to him, “There are seats, Tapassī. Please sit if you wish.”
thusEvaṁ
when saidvutte,
long·Tapassīdīghatapassī
Jain asceticnigaṇṭho
a certainaññataraṁ
lownīcaṁ
seatāsanaṁ
having takengahetvā
to one sideekamantaṁ
sat downnisīdi.
to one sideEkamantaṁ
down·sitnisinnaṁ
indeedkho
long·Tapassīdīghatapassiṁ
Jain asceticnigaṇṭhaṁ
the Blessed Onebhagavā
said thisetadavoca:
how many“kati
thenpana,
Tapassītapassi,
Jain asceticnigaṇṭho
Ñātika·clansmannāṭaputto
deedskammāni
describespaññapeti
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for the performancekiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for the occurrencepavattiyā”ti?
not“Na
indeedkho,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
customaryāciṇṇaṁ
of the Jain asceticnigaṇṭhassa
Ñātika·clansmannāṭaputtassa
‘deed,’‘kammaṁ,
‘deed’kamman’ti
to describepaññapetuṁ;
‘rod,’‘daṇḍaṁ,
‘rod’daṇḍan’ti
indeedkho,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
customaryāciṇṇaṁ
of the Jain asceticnigaṇṭhassa
Ñātika·clansmannāṭaputtassa
to describepaññapetun”ti.
how many“Kati
thenpana,
Tapassītapassi,
Jain asceticnigaṇṭho
Ñātika·clansmannāṭaputto
rodsdaṇḍāni
describespaññapeti
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for the performancekiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for the occurrencepavattiyā”ti?
three“Tīṇi
indeedkho,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
Jain asceticnigaṇṭho
Ñātika·clansmannāṭaputto
rodsdaṇḍāni
describespaññapeti
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for the performancekiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for the occurrencepavattiyāti,
that is to sayseyyathidaṁ—
physical rodkāyadaṇḍaṁ,
verbal rodvacīdaṇḍaṁ,
mental rodmanodaṇḍan”ti.
what“Kiṁ
thenpana,
Tapassītapassi,
quite distinctaññadeva
physical rodkāyadaṇḍaṁ,
distinctaññaṁ
verbal rodvacīdaṇḍaṁ,
distinctaññaṁ
mental rodmanodaṇḍan”ti?
quite distinct“Aññadeva,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
physical rodkāyadaṇḍaṁ,
distinctaññaṁ
verbal rodvacīdaṇḍaṁ,
distinctaññaṁ
mental rodmanodaṇḍan”ti.
When he said this, Dīgha Tapassī took a low seat and sat to one side. The Buddha said to him, “Tapassī, how many kinds of deed does the Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan describe for performing bad deeds?” “Reverend Gotama, the Jain Ñātika doesn’t usually speak in terms of ‘deeds’. He usually speaks in terms of ‘rods’.” “Then how many kinds of rod does the Jain Ñātika describe for performing bad deeds?” “The Jain Ñātika describes three kinds of rod for performing bad deeds: the physical rod, the verbal rod, and the mental rod.” “But are these kinds of rod all distinct from each other?” “Yes, each is quite distinct.”
of these“Imesaṁ
nowpana,
Tapassītapassi,
of threetiṇṇaṁ
of rodsdaṇḍānaṁ
thusevaṁ
apart·separately·dividedpaṭivibhattānaṁ
thusevaṁ
apart·separately·distinguishedpaṭivisiṭṭhānaṁ
whichkatamaṁ
roddaṇḍaṁ
the Jainnigaṇṭho
Ñātikanāṭaputto
great·blameworthymahāsāvajjataraṁ
describespaññapeti
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for doingkiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for performancepavattiyā,
ifyadi
orvā
the physical rodkāyadaṇḍaṁ,
ifyadi
orvā
the verbal rodvacīdaṇḍaṁ,
ifyadi
orvā
mind·rodmanodaṇḍan”ti?
of these“Imesaṁ
indeedkho,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
of threetiṇṇaṁ
of rodsdaṇḍānaṁ
thusevaṁ
apart·separately·dividedpaṭivibhattānaṁ
thusevaṁ
apart·separately·distinguishedpaṭivisiṭṭhānaṁ
body·rodkāyadaṇḍaṁ
the Jainnigaṇṭho
Ñātikanāṭaputto
great·blameworthymahāsāvajjataraṁ
describespaññapeti
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for doingkiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for performancepavattiyā,
notno
sotathā
the verbal rodvacīdaṇḍaṁ,
notno
sotathā
mind·rodmanodaṇḍan”ti.
the physical rod“Kāyadaṇḍanti,
Tapassītapassi,
do you sayvadesi”?
the physical rod“Kāyadaṇḍanti,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
I sayvadāmi”.
the physical rod“Kāyadaṇḍanti,
Tapassītapassi,
do you sayvadesi”?
the physical rod“Kāyadaṇḍanti,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
I sayvadāmi”.
the physical rod“Kāyadaṇḍanti,
Tapassītapassi,
do you sayvadesi”?
the physical rod“Kāyadaṇḍanti,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
I sayvadāmī”ti.
thusItiha
the Blessed Onebhagavā
long·Tapassīdīghatapassiṁ
the Jainnigaṇṭhaṁ
in thisimasmiṁ
talk·subjectkathāvatthusmiṁ
as far as·thirdyāvatatiyakaṁ
made standpatiṭṭhāpesi.
“Of the three rods thus analyzed and differentiated, which rod does the Jain Ñātika describe as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds: the physical rod, the verbal rod, or the mental rod?” “The Jain Ñātika describes the physical rod as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much the verbal rod or the mental rod.” “Do you say the physical rod, Tapassī?” “I say the physical rod, Reverend Gotama.” “Do you say the physical rod, Tapassī?” “I say the physical rod, Reverend Gotama.” “Do you say the physical rod, Tapassī?” “I say the physical rod, Reverend Gotama.” Thus the Buddha made Dīgha Tapassī stand by this point up to the third time.
thusEvaṁ
when saidvutte,
long·austeritydīghatapassī
the Jain asceticnigaṇṭho
to the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ
this·sayetadavoca:
you“tvaṁ
but·reverendpanāvuso
Gotamagotama,
how many?kati
rodsdaṇḍāni
you describepaññapesi
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for the performancekiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for the manifestationpavattiyā”ti?
not“Na
indeedkho,
Tapassītapassi,
customaryāciṇṇaṁ
thus·gonetathāgatassa
rod‘daṇḍaṁ,
roddaṇḍan’ti
to describepaññapetuṁ;
kamma‘kammaṁ,
kammakamman’ti
indeedkho,
Tapassītapassi,
customaryāciṇṇaṁ
thus·gonetathāgatassa
to describepaññapetun”ti?
you“Tvaṁ
but·reverendpanāvuso
Gotamagotama,
how many?kati
kammaskammāni
you describepaññapesi
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for the performancekiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for the manifestationpavattiyā”ti?
three“Tīṇi
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
Tapassītapassi,
kammaskammāni
I describepaññapemi
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for the performancekiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of kammakammassa
for the manifestationpavattiyā,
namely·thisseyyathidaṁ—
body·kammakāyakammaṁ,
speech·kammavacīkammaṁ,
mental kammamanokamman”ti.
what?“Kiṁ
but·reverendpanāvuso
Gotamagotama,
another·indeedaññadeva
body·kammakāyakammaṁ,
distinctaññaṁ
speech·kammavacīkammaṁ,
distinctaññaṁ
mental kammamanokamman”ti?
quite distinct“Aññadeva,
Tapassītapassi,
body·kammakāyakammaṁ,
distinctaññaṁ
speech·kammavacīkammaṁ,
distinctaññaṁ
mental kammamanokamman”ti.
When this was said, Dīgha Tapassī said to the Buddha, “But Reverend Gotama, how many kinds of rod do you describe for performing bad deeds?” “Tapassī, the Realized One doesn’t usually speak in terms of ‘rods’. He usually speaks in terms of ‘deeds’.” “Then how many kinds of deed do you describe for performing bad deeds?” “I describe three kinds of deed for performing bad deeds: physical deeds, verbal deeds, and mental deeds.” “But are these kinds of deed all distinct from each other?” “Yes, each is quite distinct.”
of these“Imesaṁ
but·reverendpanāvuso
Gotamagotama,
of threetiṇṇaṁ
of deedskammānaṁ
thusevaṁ
apart·separately·dividedpaṭivibhattānaṁ
thusevaṁ
apart·separately·distinguishedpaṭivisiṭṭhānaṁ
whichkatamaṁ
deedkammaṁ
great·blameworthymahāsāvajjataraṁ
known·you appointedpaññapesi
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for performingkiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for occurrencepavattiyā,
ifyadi
orvā
physical deedkāyakammaṁ,
ifyadi
orvā
verbal deedvacīkammaṁ,
ifyadi
orvā
mental deedmanokamman”ti?
of these“Imesaṁ
indeedkho
Iahaṁ,
Tapassitapassi,
of threetiṇṇaṁ
of deedskammānaṁ
thusevaṁ
apart·separately·dividedpaṭivibhattānaṁ
thusevaṁ
apart·separately·distinguishedpaṭivisiṭṭhānaṁ
mind·deedmanokammaṁ
great·blameworthymahāsāvajjataraṁ
known·I appointpaññapemi
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for performingkiriyāya
of badpāpassa
of deedkammassa
for occurrencepavattiyā,
notno
so muchtathā
physical deedkāyakammaṁ,
notno
so muchtathā
verbal deedvacīkamman”ti.
mental deeds“Manokammanti,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
do you sayvadesi”?
mental deeds“Manokammanti,
Tapassitapassi,
I sayvadāmi”.
mental deeds“Manokammanti,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
do you sayvadesi”?
mental deeds“Manokammanti,
Tapassitapassi,
I sayvadāmi”.
mental deeds“Manokammanti,
reverendāvuso
Gotamagotama,
do you sayvadesi”?
mental deeds“Manokammanti,
Tapassitapassi,
I sayvadāmī”ti.
thusItiha
long·Tapassīdīghatapassī
the Jain asceticnigaṇṭho
the Buddhabhagavantaṁ
in thisimasmiṁ
talk·subjectkathāvatthusmiṁ
until·thirdyāvatatiyakaṁ
having made standpatiṭṭhāpetvā
from his seatuṭṭhāyāsanā
whereyena
the Jain asceticnigaṇṭho
Ñātikanāṭaputto
there he approachedtenupasaṅkami.
“Of the three deeds thus analyzed and differentiated, which deed do you describe as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds: physical deeds, verbal deeds, or mental deeds?” “I describe mental deeds as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much physical deeds or verbal deeds.” “Do you say mental deeds, Reverend Gotama?” “I say mental deeds, Tapassī.” “Do you say mental deeds, Reverend Gotama?” “I say mental deeds, Tapassī.” “Do you say mental deeds, Reverend Gotama?” “I say mental deeds, Tapassī.” Thus the Jain ascetic Dīgha Tapassī made the Buddha stand by this point up to the third time, after which he rose from his seat and went to see the Jain Ñātika.
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