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Majjhima Nikāya 72

Aggivacchasutta

With Vacchagotta on Fire · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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“thus“Evaṁ freed·mindvimuttacitto butpana, worthybho Gotamagotama, mendicantbhikkhu wherekuhiṁ is reborn?”upapajjatī”ti?
“'is reborn'“Upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, notna appliesupeti”.
“well then“Tena indeedhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, notna is reborn?”upapajjatī”ti?
“'not“Na is reborn'upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, notna appliesupeti”.
“well then“Tena indeedhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, up·is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca is reborn?”upapajjatī”ti?
“'is reborn“Upapajjati andca notna andca is reborn'upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, notna appliesupeti”.
“well then“Tena indeedhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, neitherneva up·is rebornupapajjati norna notna is reborn?”upapajjatī”ti?
“'neither“Neva up·is rebornupapajjati norna notna is reborn'upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, notna appliesupeti”.

thus“‘Evaṁ liberated in mindvimuttacitto nowpana, worthybho Gotamagotama, monkbhikkhu wherekuhiṁ is rebornupapajjatī’ti thusiti askedpuṭṭho beingsamāno is reborn‘upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, does notna applyupetī’ti you sayvadesi.
then‘Tena sohi, worthybho Gotamagotama, is notna rebornupapajjatī’ti thusiti askedpuṭṭho beingsamāno is not‘na rebornupapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, does notna applyupetī’ti you sayvadesi.
then‘Tena sohi, worthybho Gotamagotama, is rebornupapajjati andca is notna andca rebornupapajjatī’ti thusiti askedpuṭṭho beingsamāno is reborn‘upapajjati andca is notna andca rebornupapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, does notna applyupetī’ti you sayvadesi.
then‘Tena sohi, worthybho Gotamagotama, neitherneva is rebornupapajjati norna is notna rebornupapajjatī’ti thusiti askedpuṭṭho beingsamāno neither‘neva is rebornupapajjati norna is notna rebornupapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, does notna applyupetī’ti you sayvadesi.
here IEtthāhaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama, came to ignoranceaññāṇamāpādiṁ, hereettha came to delusionsammohamāpādiṁ.
whateverYāpi to meme thisesā of the worthybhoto of Gotamagotamassa previouspurimena conversationkathāsallāpena wasahu measure of claritypasādamattā thatsāpi to meme nowetarahi has disappearedantarahitā”ti.

no wonder indeed“Alañhi for youte, Vacchavaccha, for ignoranceaññāṇāya, no wonderalaṁ for confusionsammohāya.
deepGambhīro indeed thishāyaṁ, Vacchavaccha, principledhammo hard·seeduddaso hard·understandduranubodho peacefulsanto sublimepaṇīto logic·scopeatakkāvacaro subtlenipuṇo comprehensible to the astutepaṇḍitavedanīyo.
itSo by youtayā hard·understanddujjāno different·viewaññadiṭṭhikena different·creedaññakhantikena different·beliefaññarucikena another·disciplineaññatrayogena having another denominationaññatrācariyakena.
well thenTena indeedhi, Vacchavaccha, this very thing heretaññevettha I will ask in returnpaṭipucchissāmi; asyathā to youte it may seem fitkhameyya sotathā itnaṁ you may answerbyākareyyāsi.

thatTaṁ what?kiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Vacchavaccha,
ifsace to youte in frontpurato fireaggi would burnjaleyya, you would knowjāneyyāsi youtvaṁ:
'this‘ayaṁ myme in frontpurato fireaggi is burning'”ti?jalatī’”ti?
“If“Sace my,me, worthybho Gotama,gotama, in frontpurato fireaggi would burn,jaleyya, I would know:jāneyyāhaṁ:
'this‘ayaṁ myme in frontpurato fireaggi is burning'”ti.jalatī’”ti.
“But“Sace againpana you,taṁ, Vaccha,vaccha, thusevaṁ they might ask:puccheyya:
'which‘yo of youte thisayaṁ in frontpurato fireaggi burnsjalati thisayaṁ fireaggi whatkiṁ depending onpaṭicca burns'”ti,jalatī’ti, thusevaṁ askedpuṭṭho you,tvaṁ, Vaccha,vaccha, howkinti would you answer?”ti?byākareyyāsī”ti?
“If“Sace me,maṁ, worthybho Gotama,gotama, thusevaṁ they might ask:puccheyya:
'which‘yo of youte thisayaṁ in frontpurato fireaggi burnsjalati thisayaṁ fireaggi whatkiṁ depending onpaṭicca burns'”ti,jalatī’ti, thusevaṁ askedpuṭṭho I,ahaṁ, worthybho Gotama,gotama, thusevaṁ I would answer:byākareyyaṁ:
'which‘yo myme thisayaṁ in frontpurato fireaggi burnsjalati thisayaṁ fireaggi grass·wood·fueltiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ depending onpaṭicca burns'”ti.jalatī’”ti.
“If“Sace your,te, Vaccha,vaccha, in frontpurato thatso fireaggi would be extinguished,nibbāyeyya, you would knowjāneyyāsi you:tvaṁ:

this‘ayaṁ of meme in frontpurato fireaggi is quenchednibbuto’”ti?
if“Sace to meme, worthybho Gotamagotama, in frontpurato thatso fireaggi were to be quenchednibbāyeyya, I would knowjāneyyāhaṁ:
this‘ayaṁ of meme in frontpurato fireaggi is quenchednibbuto’”ti.
if“Sace butpana youtaṁ, Vacchavaccha, thusevaṁ were to askpuccheyya:
which‘yo yourte thisayaṁ in frontpurato fireaggi quenchednibbuto thatso fireaggi from hereito whichkatamaṁ directiondisaṁ wentgato—
eastpuratthimaṁ orvā southdakkhiṇaṁ orvā westpacchimaṁ orvā northuttaraṁ orvā’ti, thusevaṁ askedpuṭṭho youtvaṁ, Vacchavaccha, howkinti would you answerbyākareyyāsī”ti?
not“Na it appliesupeti, worthybho Gotamagotama, becauseyañhi thatso, worthybho Gotamagotama, fireaggi grass·logs·fueltiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ depending onpaṭicca burnedajali of thattassa andca when it runs outpariyādānā of anotheraññassa andca not addinganupahārā without fuelanāhāro quenched + indeednibbutotveva assaṅkhyaṁ is reckonedgacchatī”ti.

in the same way“Evameva indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, by whichyena by formrūpena thus·gonetathāgataṁ know·makepaññāpayamāno might describepaññāpeyya thattaṁ formrūpaṁ thus·gonetathāgatassa forth·abandonpahīnaṁ cut off·rootucchinnamūlaṁ made like a palm stumptālāvatthukataṁ not·existence·makeanabhāvaṅkataṁ in the futureāyatiṁ not·arise·natureanuppādadhammaṁ.
form·reckoning·freedRūpasaṅkhayavimutto indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, thus·gonetathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathomduppariyogāḷho—
just as·likeseyyathāpi great·oceanmahāsamuddo.
they are rebornUpapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, notna they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, neitherneva is rebornupapajjati norna notna they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti.
by whichYāya by feelingvedanāya thus·gonetathāgataṁ know·makepaññāpayamāno might describepaññāpeyya thatsā feelingvedanā thus·gonetathāgatassa forth·abandonpahīnā cut off·rootucchinnamūlā made like a palm stumptālāvatthukatā not·existence·makeanabhāvaṅkatā in the futureāyatiṁ not·arise·natureanuppādadhammā.
feeling·reckoning·freedVedanāsaṅkhayavimutto indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, thus·gonetathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathomduppariyogāḷho—
just as·likeseyyathāpi great·oceanmahāsamuddo.
they are rebornUpapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, notna they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, neitherneva is rebornupapajjati norna notna they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti.

by whichYāya perceptionsaññāya the Tathāgatatathāgataṁ describingpaññāpayamāno one would describepaññāpeyya thatsā perceptionsaññā of the Tathāgatatathāgatassa abandonedpahīnā root-cutucchinnamūlā palm-stump-madetālāvatthukatā non-existence-madeanabhāvaṅkatā in the futureāyatiṁ not-arising-by-nature.anuppādadhammā.
freed by perception's endingSaññāsaṅkhayavimutto indeed,kho, Vaccha,vaccha, the Tathāgatatathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathom—duppariyogāḷho—
just asseyyathāpi the great ocean.mahāsamuddo.
he is rebornUpapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, notna he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, he is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, neitherneva he is rebornupapajjati notna notna he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies.upeti.
by whichYehi choicessaṅkhārehi the Tathāgatatathāgataṁ describingpaññāpayamāno one would describepaññāpeyya thosete choicessaṅkhārā of the Tathāgatatathāgatassa abandonedpahīnā root-cutucchinnamūlā palm-stump-madetālāvatthukatā non-existence-madeanabhāvaṅkatā in the futureāyatiṁ not-arising-by-nature.anuppādadhammā.
freed by choices' endingSaṅkhārasaṅkhayavimutto indeed,kho, Vaccha,vaccha, the Tathāgatatathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathom—duppariyogāḷho—
just asseyyathāpi the great ocean.mahāsamuddo.
he is rebornUpapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, notna he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, he is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, neitherneva he is rebornupapajjati notna notna he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies.upeti.

by whichYena by consciousnessviññāṇena thus·gonetathāgataṁ forth·knowpaññāpayamāno forth·knowpaññāpeyya thattaṁ consciousnessviññāṇaṁ thus·gonetathāgatassa forth·abandonpahīnaṁ cut off·rootucchinnamūlaṁ palm·stump·madetālāvatthukataṁ non·non-existence·madeanabhāvaṅkataṁ in the futureāyatiṁ not·ariseanuppādadhammaṁ.
consciousness·reckoning·freedViññāṇasaṅkhayavimutto indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, thus·gonetathāgato deepgambhīro not·measureappameyyo hard·fathomduppariyogāḷho—
as·justseyyathāpi great·oceanmahāsamuddo.
'they're reborn'Upapajjatīti notna up·goupeti, notna 'they're not reborn'upapajjatīti notna up·goupeti, 'they're reborn'upapajjati andca notna andca 'they're not reborn'upapajjatīti notna up·goupeti, not·justneva they're rebornupapajjati notna norna 'they're not reborn'upapajjatīti notna up·goupetī”ti.

thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Vaccha·gottavacchagotto wandererparibbājako to the Buddhabhagavantaṁ said thisetadavoca:
suppose“seyyathāpi, worthybho Gotamagotama, of a villagegāmassa orvā of a townnigamassa orvā not·faravidūre large·sal·treemahāsālarukkho.
itsTassa impermanenceaniccatā branch·foliagesākhāpalāsā would fall offpalujjeyyuṁ, bark·shoottacapapaṭikā would fall offpalujjeyyuṁ, softwoodpheggū would fall offpalujjeyyuṁ;
itso afteraparena timesamayena rid of·branch·foliageapagatasākhāpalāso rid of·bark·shootapagatatacapapaṭiko rid of·softwoodapagataphegguko puresuddho would beassa, in the coresāre establishedpatiṭṭhito;
in the same wayevameva of worthybhoto Gotama'sgotamassa dispensationpāvacanaṁ rid of·branch·foliageapagatasākhāpalāsaṁ rid of·bark·shootapagatatacapapaṭikaṁ rid of·softwoodapagatapheggukaṁ puresuddhaṁ, in the coresāre establishedpatiṭṭhitaṁ.

towards·goneAbhikkantaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama …pe……pe…
lay followerupāsakaṁ memaṁ worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo may rememberdhāretu today + beginningajjatagge life·gonepāṇupetaṁ refugesaraṇaṁ gonegatan”ti.
fire·Vaccha·discourseAggivacchasuttaṁ finishedniṭṭhitaṁ seconddutiyaṁ.

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