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Majjhima Nikāya 72

Aggivacchasutta

With Vacchagotta on Fire · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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“thus“Evaṁ with freed mindvimuttacitto butpana, worthybho Gotamagotama, mendicantbhikkhu wherekuhiṁ is reborn?”upapajjatī”ti?
“'is reborn'“Upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, notna appliesupeti”.
“well then“Tena indeedhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, notna is reborn?”upapajjatī”ti?
“'not“Na is reborn'upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, notna appliesupeti”.
“well then“Tena indeedhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca is reborn?”upapajjatī”ti?
“'is reborn“Upapajjati andca notna andca is reborn'upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, notna appliesupeti”.
“well then“Tena indeedhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, neitherneva is rebornupapajjati norna notna is reborn?”upapajjatī”ti?
“'neither“Neva is rebornupapajjati norna notna is reborn'upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, notna appliesupeti”.

thus“‘Evaṁ liberated in mindvimuttacitto nowpana, worthybho Gotamagotama, monkbhikkhu wherekuhiṁ is rebornupapajjatī’ti thusiti askedpuṭṭho beingsamāno is reborn‘upapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, does notna applyupetī’ti you sayvadesi.
then‘Tena sohi, worthybho Gotamagotama, is notna rebornupapajjatī’ti thusiti askedpuṭṭho beingsamāno is not‘na rebornupapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, does notna applyupetī’ti you sayvadesi.
then‘Tena sohi, worthybho Gotamagotama, is rebornupapajjati andca is notna andca rebornupapajjatī’ti thusiti askedpuṭṭho beingsamāno is reborn‘upapajjati andca is notna andca rebornupapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, does notna applyupetī’ti you sayvadesi.
then‘Tena sohi, worthybho Gotamagotama, neitherneva is rebornupapajjati norna is notna rebornupapajjatī’ti thusiti askedpuṭṭho beingsamāno neither‘neva is rebornupapajjati norna is notna rebornupapajjatīti indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, does notna applyupetī’ti you sayvadesi.
here IEtthāhaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama, came to ignoranceaññāṇamāpādiṁ, hereettha came to delusionsammohamāpādiṁ.
whateverYāpi to meme thisesā of the worthybhoto of Gotamagotamassa previouspurimena conversationkathāsallāpena wasahu measure of claritypasādamattā thatsāpi to meme nowetarahi has disappearedantarahitā”ti.

no wonder indeed“Alañhi for youte, Vacchavaccha, for ignoranceaññāṇāya, no wonderalaṁ for confusionsammohāya.
deepGambhīro indeed thishāyaṁ, Vacchavaccha, principledhammo hard to seeduddaso hard to understandduranubodho peacefulsanto sublimepaṇīto beyond the scope of logicatakkāvacaro subtlenipuṇo comprehensible to the astutepaṇḍitavedanīyo.
itSo by youtayā hard to understanddujjāno having a different viewaññadiṭṭhikena having a different creedaññakhantikena having a different beliefaññarucikena having another disciplineaññatrayogena having another denominationaññatrācariyakena.
well thenTena indeedhi, Vacchavaccha, this very thing heretaññevettha I will ask in returnpaṭipucchissāmi; asyathā to youte it may seem fitkhameyya sotathā itnaṁ you may answerbyākareyyāsi.

thatTaṁ what?kiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Vacchavaccha,
ifsace to youte in frontpurato fireaggi would burnjaleyya, you would knowjāneyyāsi youtvaṁ:
'this‘ayaṁ myme in frontpurato fireaggi is burning'”ti?jalatī’”ti?
“If“Sace my,me, worthybho Gotama,gotama, in frontpurato fireaggi would burn,jaleyya, I would know:jāneyyāhaṁ:
'this‘ayaṁ myme in frontpurato fireaggi is burning'”ti.jalatī’”ti.
“But“Sace againpana you,taṁ, Vaccha,vaccha, thusevaṁ they might ask:puccheyya:
'which‘yo of youte thisayaṁ in frontpurato fireaggi burnsjalati thisayaṁ fireaggi whatkiṁ depending onpaṭicca burns'”ti,jalatī’ti, thusevaṁ askedpuṭṭho you,tvaṁ, Vaccha,vaccha, howkinti would you answer?”ti?byākareyyāsī”ti?
“If“Sace me,maṁ, worthybho Gotama,gotama, thusevaṁ they might ask:puccheyya:
'which‘yo of youte thisayaṁ in frontpurato fireaggi burnsjalati thisayaṁ fireaggi whatkiṁ depending onpaṭicca burns'”ti,jalatī’ti, thusevaṁ askedpuṭṭho I,ahaṁ, worthybho Gotama,gotama, thusevaṁ I would answer:byākareyyaṁ:
'which‘yo myme thisayaṁ in frontpurato fireaggi burnsjalati thisayaṁ fireaggi grass and logs as fueltiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ depending onpaṭicca burns'”ti.jalatī’”ti.
“If“Sace your,te, Vaccha,vaccha, in frontpurato thatso fireaggi would be extinguished,nibbāyeyya, you would knowjāneyyāsi you:tvaṁ:

this‘ayaṁ of meme in frontpurato fireaggi is quenchednibbuto’”ti?
if“Sace to meme, worthybho Gotamagotama, in frontpurato thatso fireaggi were to be quenchednibbāyeyya, I would knowjāneyyāhaṁ:
this‘ayaṁ of meme in frontpurato fireaggi is quenchednibbuto’”ti.
if“Sace butpana youtaṁ, Vacchavaccha, thusevaṁ were to askpuccheyya:
which‘yo yourte thisayaṁ in frontpurato fireaggi quenchednibbuto thatso fireaggi from hereito whichkatamaṁ directiondisaṁ wentgato—
eastpuratthimaṁ orvā southdakkhiṇaṁ orvā westpacchimaṁ orvā northuttaraṁ orvā’ti, thusevaṁ askedpuṭṭho youtvaṁ, Vacchavaccha, howkinti would you answerbyākareyyāsī”ti?
not“Na it appliesupeti, worthybho Gotamagotama, becauseyañhi thatso, worthybho Gotamagotama, fireaggi grass and logs as fueltiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ depending onpaṭicca burnedajali of thattassa andca when it runs outpariyādānā of anotheraññassa andca not addinganupahārā without fuelanāhāro quenched indeednibbutotveva assaṅkhyaṁ is reckonedgacchatī”ti.

in the same way“Evameva indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, by whichyena by formrūpena the realized onetathāgataṁ describingpaññāpayamāno might describepaññāpeyya thattaṁ formrūpaṁ of the realized onetathāgatassa given uppahīnaṁ cut off at the rootucchinnamūlaṁ made like a palm stumptālāvatthukataṁ obliteratedanabhāvaṅkataṁ in the futureāyatiṁ unable to ariseanuppādadhammaṁ.
freed from reckoning in terms of formRūpasaṅkhayavimutto indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, the realized onetathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathomduppariyogāḷho—
just likeseyyathāpi the oceanmahāsamuddo.
they are rebornUpapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, notna they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, neitherneva is rebornupapajjati norna notna they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti.
by whichYāya by feelingvedanāya the realized onetathāgataṁ describingpaññāpayamāno might describepaññāpeyya thatsā feelingvedanā of the realized onetathāgatassa given uppahīnā cut off at the rootucchinnamūlā made like a palm stumptālāvatthukatā obliteratedanabhāvaṅkatā in the futureāyatiṁ unable to ariseanuppādadhammā.
freed from reckoning in terms of feelingVedanāsaṅkhayavimutto indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, the realized onetathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathomduppariyogāḷho—
just likeseyyathāpi the oceanmahāsamuddo.
they are rebornUpapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, notna they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, neitherneva is rebornupapajjati norna notna they are not rebornupapajjatīti notna appliesupeti.

by whichYāya perceptionsaññāya the Tathāgatatathāgataṁ describingpaññāpayamāno one would describepaññāpeyya thatsā perceptionsaññā of the Tathāgatatathāgatassa abandonedpahīnā root-cutucchinnamūlā palm-stump-madetālāvatthukatā non-existence-madeanabhāvaṅkatā in the futureāyatiṁ not-arising-by-nature.anuppādadhammā.
freed by perception's endingSaññāsaṅkhayavimutto indeed,kho, Vaccha,vaccha, the Tathāgatatathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathom—duppariyogāḷho—
just asseyyathāpi the great ocean.mahāsamuddo.
he is rebornUpapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, notna he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, he is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, neitherneva he is rebornupapajjati notna notna he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies.upeti.
by whichYehi choicessaṅkhārehi the Tathāgatatathāgataṁ describingpaññāpayamāno one would describepaññāpeyya thosete choicessaṅkhārā of the Tathāgatatathāgatassa abandonedpahīnā root-cutucchinnamūlā palm-stump-madetālāvatthukatā non-existence-madeanabhāvaṅkatā in the futureāyatiṁ not-arising-by-nature.anuppādadhammā.
freed by choices' endingSaṅkhārasaṅkhayavimutto indeed,kho, Vaccha,vaccha, the Tathāgatatathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathom—duppariyogāḷho—
just asseyyathāpi the great ocean.mahāsamuddo.
he is rebornUpapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, notna he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, he is rebornupapajjati andca notna andca he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies,upeti, neitherneva he is rebornupapajjati notna notna he is rebornupapajjatīti notna applies.upeti.

by whichYena by consciousnessviññāṇena a realized onetathāgataṁ being describedpaññāpayamāno might describepaññāpeyya thattaṁ consciousnessviññāṇaṁ of a realized onetathāgatassa has been given uppahīnaṁ cut off at the rootucchinnamūlaṁ made like a palm stumptālāvatthukataṁ obliteratedanabhāvaṅkataṁ in the futureāyatiṁ unable to ariseanuppādadhammaṁ.
freed from reckoning in terms of consciousnessViññāṇasaṅkhayavimutto indeedkho, Vacchavaccha, a realized onetathāgato deepgambhīro immeasurableappameyyo hard to fathomduppariyogāḷho—
just asseyyathāpi the great oceanmahāsamuddo.
'they're reborn'Upapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, notna 'they're not reborn'upapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, 'they're reborn'upapajjati andca notna andca 'they're not reborn'upapajjatīti notna appliesupeti, neitherneva they're rebornupapajjati notna norna 'they're not reborn'upapajjatīti notna appliesupetī”ti.

thusEvaṁ when saidvutte, Vacchagottavacchagotto wandererparibbājako to the Buddhabhagavantaṁ said thisetadavoca:
suppose“seyyathāpi, worthybho Gotamagotama, of a villagegāmassa orvā of a townnigamassa orvā not faravidūre large sal treemahāsālarukkho.
itsTassa impermanenceaniccatā branches and foliagesākhāpalāsā would fall offpalujjeyyuṁ, bark and shootstacapapaṭikā would fall offpalujjeyyuṁ, softwoodpheggū would fall offpalujjeyyuṁ;
itso afteraparena timesamayena rid of branches and foliageapagatasākhāpalāso rid of bark and shootsapagatatacapapaṭiko rid of softwoodapagataphegguko puresuddho would beassa, in the coresāre establishedpatiṭṭhito;
in the same wayevameva of worthybhoto Gotama'sgotamassa dispensationpāvacanaṁ rid of branches and foliageapagatasākhāpalāsaṁ rid of bark and shootsapagatatacapapaṭikaṁ rid of softwoodapagatapheggukaṁ puresuddhaṁ, in the coresāre establishedpatiṭṭhitaṁ.

excellentAbhikkantaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama …pe……pe…
lay followerupāsakaṁ memaṁ worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo may rememberdhāretu from this day forthajjatagge for lifepāṇupetaṁ refugesaraṇaṁ gonegatan”ti.
the Discourse to AggivacchaAggivacchasuttaṁ finishedniṭṭhitaṁ seconddutiyaṁ.

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