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Majjhima Nikāya 72

Aggivacchasutta

With Vacchagotta on Fire · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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Evaṁ me sutaṁ—
ekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.

So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery.

Atha kho vacchagotto paribbājako yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavatā saddhiṁ sammodi.
Sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho vacchagotto paribbājako bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:

Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to the Buddha:

“Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, ‘sassato loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘sassato loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Worthy Gotama, is this your view: ‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, ‘asassato loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘asassato loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, ‘antavā loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘antavā loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘The cosmos is finite. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, ‘anantavā loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘anantavā loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘The cosmos is infinite. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, ‘taṁ jīvaṁ taṁ sarīraṁ, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘taṁ jīvaṁ taṁ sarīraṁ, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘The soul and the body are one and the same. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, ‘aññaṁ jīvaṁ aññaṁ sarīraṁ, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘aññaṁ jīvaṁ aññaṁ sarīraṁ, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘The soul is one thing, the body another. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘A realized one still exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, ‘na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘A realized one no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, ‘hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo”ti?
“Na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi:
‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’”ti.

“Then is this your view: ‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?” “That’s not my view, Vaccha.”

“‘Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, sassato loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—
sassato loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
‘Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, asassato loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—
asassato loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
‘Kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, antavā loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—
antavā loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññan’ti vadesi.
‘Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, anantavā loko, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
evaṁdiṭṭhi bhavaṁ gotamo’ti iti puṭṭho samāno ‘na kho ahaṁ, vaccha, evaṁdiṭṭhi—

“Worthy Gotama, when asked these ten questions, you say: ‘That’s not my view.’

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