Mahāsakuludāyisutta

Majjhima Nikāya 77

The Longer Discourse with Sakuludāyī · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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thusEvaṁ by meme heardsutaṁ—
oneekaṁ timesamayaṁ the Blessed Onebhagavā at Rājagaharājagahe was stayingviharati in the Bamboo Groveveḷuvane at the squirrels’ feeding groundkalandakanivāpe.

So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground.

at thatTena nowkho thenpana at the timesamayena severalsambahulā thoroughly·knownabhiññātā thoroughly·knownabhiññātā wanderersparibbājakā peacock·feeding-groundmoranivāpe wanderer·monasteryparibbājakārāme against·dwellpaṭivasanti, that is to sayseyyathidaṁ—
Annabhāraannabhāro Varadharavaradharo Sakuludāyīsakuludāyī andca the wandererparibbājako otheraññe andca thoroughly·knownabhiññātā thoroughly·knownabhiññātā wanderersparibbājakā.

Now at that time several very well-known wanderers were residing in their monastery in the peacocks’ feeding ground. They included Annabhāra, Varadhara, Sakuludāyī, and other very well-known wanderers.

thenAtha indeedkho the Blessed Onebhagavā morning·timepubbaṇhasamayaṁ having robed upnivāsetvā bowl·robe·takepattacīvaramādāya Rājagaharājagahaṁ for almspiṇḍāya enteredpāvisi.
thenAtha indeedkho to the Blessed Onebhagavato this occurredetadahosi:
too early“atippago indeedkho stilltāva in Rājagaharājagahe for almspiṇḍāya to wandercarituṁ.
why don't IYannūnāhaṁ whereyena peacock·feeding-groundmoranivāpo the wanderers' monasteryparibbājakārāmo whereyena Sakuludāyīsakuludāyī the wandererparibbājako I should approach him theretenupasaṅkameyyan”ti.

Then the Buddha robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, entered Rājagaha for alms. Then it occurred to him, “It’s too early to wander for alms in Rājagaha. Why don’t I visit the wanderer Sakuludāyī at the monastery for the wanderers in the peacocks’ feeding ground?”

thenAtha indeedkho the Blessed Onebhagavā to whereyena peacock·feeding groundmoranivāpo the wanderers' monasteryparibbājakārāmo he approached ittenupasaṅkami.
at thatTena indeedkho thenpana timesamayena Sakuludāyīsakuludāyī wandererparibbājako largemahatiyā wanderer·assemblyparibbājakaparisāya together withsaddhiṁ seatednisinno washoti noisyunnādiniyā colossal racketuccāsaddamahāsaddāya many·arrangedanekavihitaṁ animal-like·talktiracchānakathaṁ engaging inkathentiyā, that is to sayseyyathidaṁ—
king·talkrājakathaṁ thief·talkcorakathaṁ chief minister·talkmahāmattakathaṁ army·talksenākathaṁ fear·talkbhayakathaṁ war·talkyuddhakathaṁ food·talkannakathaṁ drink·talkpānakathaṁ cloth·talkvatthakathaṁ bed·talksayanakathaṁ garland·talkmālākathaṁ fragrance·talkgandhakathaṁ relative·talkñātikathaṁ vehicle·talkyānakathaṁ village·talkgāmakathaṁ town·talknigamakathaṁ city·talknagarakathaṁ country·talkjanapadakathaṁ woman·talkitthikathaṁ hero·talksūrakathaṁ street·talkvisikhākathaṁ talk about the water pot placekumbhaṭṭhānakathaṁ departed·talkpubbapetakathaṁ diversity·talknānattakathaṁ tales of landlokakkhāyikaṁ tales of seasamuddakkhāyikaṁ talk about being reborn in this or that placeitibhavābhavakathaṁ thusiti orvā.
sawAddasā indeedkho Sakuludāyīsakuludāyī wandererparibbājako the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ from afar + justdūratova comingāgacchantaṁ.
having seenDisvāna his ownsakaṁ assemblyparisaṁ hushedsaṇṭhāpeti:
be quiet“appasaddā good fellowsbhonto let behontu;
do notmā good fellowsbhonto make a soundsaddamakattha.
thisAyaṁ asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo comesāgacchati;
little·sound·desirousappasaddakāmo indeedkho thenpana heso venerableāyasmā little·soundappasaddassa praisingvaṇṇavādī.
hopefullyAppeva indeednāma little·soundappasaddaṁ assemblyparisaṁ having knownviditvā to be approachedupasaṅkamitabbaṁ might thinkmaññeyyā”ti.
thenAtha indeedkho thosete wanderersparibbājakā silenttuṇhī becameahesuṁ.

So the Buddha went to the monastery for the wanderers. Now at that time, Sakuludāyī was sitting together with a large assembly of wanderers making an uproar, a colossal racket. They engaged in all kinds of low talk, such as talk about kings, bandits, and chief ministers; talk about armies, threats, and wars; talk about food, drink, clothes, and beds; talk about garlands and fragrances; talk about family, vehicles, villages, towns, cities, and countries; talk about women and heroes; talk at the street market and the place for water pots; talk about the departed; motley talk; tales of land and sea; and talk about being reborn in this or that place. Sakuludāyī saw the Buddha coming off in the distance, and hushed his own assembly, “Be quiet, good fellows, don’t make a sound. Here comes the ascetic Gotama. The venerable likes quiet and praises quiet. Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.” Then those wanderers fell silent.

thenAtha indeedkho the Blessed Onebhagavā by whichyena Sakuludāyīsakuludāyī around·wanderparibbājako him·near·gotenupasaṅkami.
thenAtha indeedkho Sakuludāyīsakuludāyī around·wanderparibbājako blessed·possessingbhagavantaṁ this·sayetadavoca:
let him come“etu indeedkho, sirbhante, the Blessed Onebhagavā.
well·well·comeSvāgataṁ, sirbhante, of the Blessed Onebhagavato.
for a long timeCirassaṁ indeedkho, sirbhante, the Blessed Onebhagavā thisimaṁ opportunity·makepariyāyamakāsi which·thisyadidaṁ for coming hereidhāgamanāya.
let him sitNisīdatu, sirbhante, the Blessed Onebhagavā;
this·seatidamāsanaṁ is readypaññattan”ti.
he satNisīdi the Blessed Onebhagavā on the preparedpaññatte seatāsane.
Sakulu·dāyīSakuludāyīpi indeedkho around·wanderparibbājako other·oneaññataraṁ lownīcaṁ seatāsanaṁ having takengahetvā one·sideekamantaṁ down·sitnisīdi.
to one sideEkamantaṁ down·sitnisinnaṁ indeedkho Sakuludāyīsakuludāyiṁ around·wanderparibbājakaṁ the Blessed Onebhagavā this·sayetadavoca:
by what“Kāya nownuttha, Udāyīudāyi, nowetarahi by talkkathāya together·sitsannisinnā, whatkā andca thenpana yourvo between·talkantarākathā left unfinishedvippakatā”ti?

Then the Buddha approached Sakuludāyī, who said to him, “Let the Blessed One come, sir! Welcome to the Blessed One, sir! It’s been a long time since you took the opportunity to come here. Please, sir, sit down, this seat is ready.” The Buddha sat down on the seat spread out, while Sakuludāyī took a low seat and sat to one side. The Buddha said to him, “Udāyī, what were you sitting talking about just now? What conversation was left unfinished?”

let it stand“Tiṭṭhatesā, sirbhante, talkkathā by whichyāya wemayaṁ nowetarahi with talkkathāya sitting togethersannisinnā.
this is notNesā, sirbhante, talkkathā for the Blessed Onebhagavato hard to obtaindullabhā will bebhavissati afterwards toopacchāpi for hearingsavanāya.
previousPurimāni, sirbhante, daysdivasāni more previouspurimatarāni various·sectariannānātitthiyānaṁ ascetic·brahminsamaṇabrāhmaṇānaṁ debate·hallkutūhalasālāyaṁ together·down·sitsannisinnānaṁ together·down·fallsannipatitānaṁ this + interim·talkayamantarākathā aroseudapādi:
fortunate‘lābhā indeedvata, sirbho, of Aṅga and Magadhaaṅgamagadhānaṁ, well·gain·fortunesuladdhalābhā indeedvata, sirbho, of Aṅga and Magadhaaṅgamagadhānaṁ.
there + theseTatrime ascetic·brahminsamaṇabrāhmaṇā with an ordersaṅghino with a communitygaṇino community·teachergaṇācariyā well-knownñātā famousyasassino ford·makertitthakarā holy·deemsādhusammatā many·peoplebahujanassa Rājagaharājagahaṁ rain·residencevassāvāsaṁ come downosaṭā.
this tooAyampi indeedkho Pūraṇapūraṇo Kassapakassapo with an ordersaṅghī andceva with a communitygaṇī andca community·teachergaṇācariyo andca well-knownñāto famousyasassī ford·makertitthakaro holy·deemsādhusammato by many peoplebahujanassa;
he toosopi Rājagaharājagahaṁ rain·residencevassāvāsaṁ come downosaṭo.
this tooAyampi indeedkho Makkhalimakkhali Gosālagosālo …pe……pe…
Ajitaajito hair·blanketkesakambalo ……
Pakudhapakudho Kaccāyanakaccāyano ……
Sañjayasañjayo Belaṭṭhiputtabelaṭṭhaputto ……
Jain asceticnigaṇṭho Nāṭa·sonnāṭaputto with an ordersaṅghī andceva with a communitygaṇī andca community·teachergaṇācariyo andca well-knownñāto famousyasassī ford·makertitthakaro holy·deemsādhusammato by many peoplebahujanassa;
he toosopi Rājagaharājagahaṁ rain·residencevassāvāsaṁ come downosaṭo.

“Sir, leave aside what we were sitting talking about just now. It won’t be hard for you to hear about that later. Sir, a few days ago several ascetics and brahmins who follow various other religions were sitting together at the debating hall, and this discussion came up among them: ‘The people of Aṅga and Magadha are so fortunate, so very fortunate! For there are these ascetics and brahmins who lead an order and a community, and tutor a community. They’re well-known and famous religious founders, deemed holy by many people. And they have come down for the rainy season residence at Rājagaha. They include Pūraṇa Kassapa, the bamboo-staffed ascetic Gosāla, Ajita of the hair blanket, Pakudha Kaccāyana, Sañjaya Belaṭṭhiputta, and the Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan.

this + tooAyampi indeedkho asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo with an ordersaṅghī andceva with a communitygaṇī andca community·teachergaṇācariyo andca well-knownñāto famousyasassī ford·makertitthakaro good·esteemedsādhusammato many·peoplebahujanassa;
he + toosopi to Rājagaharājagahaṁ rains·residencevassāvāsaṁ has come downosaṭo.
whoKo thennu indeedkho of theseimesaṁ venerablebhavataṁ ascetic + brahminsamaṇabrāhmaṇānaṁ with orderssaṅghīnaṁ with communitiesgaṇīnaṁ community·teachergaṇācariyānaṁ well-knownñātānaṁ famousyasassinaṁ ford·makertitthakarānaṁ good·esteemedsādhusammatānaṁ many·peoplebahujanassa by disciplessāvakānaṁ honoredsakkato respectedgarukato reveredmānito veneratedpūjito, and howkañca thenpana disciplessāvakā having honoredsakkatvā respectgaruṁ having madekatvā relying onupanissāya do they remainviharantī’ti?
there someTatrekacce spoke thusevamāhaṁsu:
this‘ayaṁ indeedkho Pūraṇapūraṇo Kassapakassapo with an ordersaṅghī andceva with a communitygaṇī andca community·teachergaṇācariyo andca well-knownñāto famousyasassī ford·makertitthakaro good·esteemedsādhusammato many·peoplebahujanassa;
heso andca indeedkho by disciplessāvakānaṁ notna honoredsakkato notna respectedgarukato notna reveredmānito notna veneratedpūjito, notna andca thenpana Pūraṇapūraṇaṁ Kassapakassapaṁ disciplessāvakā having honoredsakkatvā respectgaruṁ having madekatvā relying onupanissāya do not remainviharanti.
been·beforeBhūtapubbaṁ Pūraṇapūraṇo Kassapakassapo many·hundredsanekasatāya to an assemblyparisāya dhammadhammaṁ teachesdeseti.
there oneTatraññataro of Pūraṇapūraṇassa of Kassapakassapassa a disciplesāvako made a noisesaddamakāsi:

This ascetic Gotama also leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people. And he too has come down for the rains residence at Rājagaha. Which of these ascetics and brahmins is honored, respected, revered, and venerated by their disciples? And how do their disciples, honoring and respecting them, remain loyal?’ Some of them said: ‘This Pūraṇa Kassapa leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people. But he’s not honored, respected, revered, and venerated by his disciples. And his disciples, not honoring and respecting him, don’t remain loyal to him. Once it so happened that he was teaching an assembly of many hundreds. Then one of his disciples made a noise,

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