Mahāsakuludāyisutta

Majjhima Nikāya 77

The Longer Discourse with Sakuludāyī · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

Parallels & more translations on SuttaCentral

Glosses: Fluent · Literal · Off
Translation: Hide · Show

Tap any word for its dictionary entry.

don't“mā good fellowsbhonto Pūraṇapūraṇaṁ Kassapakassapaṁ about this matteretamatthaṁ askpucchittha;
he doesn'tneso thatetaṁ knowsjānāti;
we thismayametaṁ knowjānāma, usamhe about this matteretamatthaṁ askpucchatha;
we thismayametaṁ to the venerable onesbhavantānaṁ will answerbyākarissāmā”ti.
once it happenedBhūtapubbaṁ Pūraṇapūraṇo Kassapakassapo armsbāhā having raisedpaggayha crying outkandanto notna getslabhati:
quiet“appasaddā good fellowsbhonto behontu, don'tmā good fellowsbhonto make a soundsaddamakattha.
they don'tNete, venerable onesbhavante, askpucchanti, meamhe theseete askpucchanti;
we to thesemayametesaṁ will answerbyākarissāmā”ti.
manyBahū indeedkho thenpana of Pūraṇapūraṇassa of Kassapakassapassa disciplessāvakā doctrinevādaṁ having refutedāropetvā departedapakkantā:
not“na youtvaṁ thisimaṁ teaching and trainingdhammavinayaṁ understandājānāsi, Iahaṁ thisimaṁ teaching and trainingdhammavinayaṁ understandājānāmi, whatkiṁ youtvaṁ thisimaṁ teaching and trainingdhammavinayaṁ will understandājānissasi? practicing wrongMicchāpaṭipanno you aretvamasi, I amahamasmi practicing rightsammāpaṭipanno, on topicsahitaṁ for meme, off topicasahitaṁ for youte, what should be said firstpurevacanīyaṁ afterwardspacchā you saidavaca, what should be said afterwardspacchāvacanīyaṁ beforepure you saidavaca, what has been thought so much aboutadhiciṇṇaṁ for youte disprovedviparāvattaṁ, refutedāropito yourte doctrinevādo, you are refutedniggahitosi, gocara for release in debatevādappamokkhāya, untanglenibbeṭhehi orvā ifsace you canpahosī”ti.

“My good fellows, don’t ask Pūraṇa Kassapa about that. He doesn’t know that. I know it. Ask me about it, and I’ll answer you.” Once it so happened that Pūraṇa Kassapa didn’t get his way, though he called out with raised arms, “Be quiet, good fellows, don’t make a sound. They’re not asking you, they’re asking me! I’ll answer you!” Indeed, many of his disciples have left him after refuting his doctrine: “You don’t understand this teaching and training. I understand this teaching and training. What, you understand this teaching and training? You’re practicing wrong. I’m practicing right. I stay on topic, you don’t. You said last what you should have said first. You said first what you should have said last. What you’ve thought so much about has been disproved. Your doctrine is refuted. Go on, save your doctrine! You’re trapped; get yourself out of this—if you can!”

thusIti Pūraṇapūraṇo Kassapakassapo by disciplessāvakānaṁ notna honoredsakkato notna respectedgarukato notna reveredmānito notna venerated,pūjito, notna andca on the contrarypana Pūraṇapūraṇaṁ Kassapakassapaṁ disciplessāvakā having honoredsakkatvā respectgaruṁ having madekatvā loyallyupanissāya they remain.viharanti.
reviledAkkuṭṭho andca on the contrarypana Pūraṇapūraṇo Kassapakassapo rightly so.'dhammakkosenā’ti.
someEkacce said thus:evamāhaṁsu:
this one too‘ayampi indeedkho Makkhalimakkhali Gosālagosālo …pe……pe…
Ajitaajito of the hair blanketkesakambalo ……
Pakudhapakudho Kaccāyanakaccāyano ……
Sañjayasañjayo Belaṭṭhiputtabelaṭṭhaputto ……
Jainnigaṇṭho of the Ñātika clannāṭaputto leads an ordersaṅghī andceva leads a communitygaṇī andca community teachergaṇācariyo andca well-knownñāto famousyasassī religious foundertitthakaro deemed holysādhusammato by many people;bahujanassa;
heso andca indeedkho by disciplessāvakānaṁ notna honoredsakkato notna respectedgarukato notna reveredmānito notna venerated,pūjito, notna andca on the contrarypana Jainnigaṇṭhaṁ of the Ñātika clannāṭaputtaṁ disciplessāvakā having honoredsakkatvā respectgaruṁ having madekatvā loyallyupanissāya they remain.viharanti.
once it happenedBhūtapubbaṁ Jainnigaṇṭho of the Ñātika clannāṭaputto of many hundredsanekasatāya assemblyparisāya dhammadhammaṁ teaches.deseti.
there a certainTatraññataro of the Jainnigaṇṭhassa of the Ñātika clannāṭaputtassa disciplesāvako made a noise:saddamakāsi:
don't“mā good fellowsbhonto Jainnigaṇṭhaṁ of the Ñātika clannāṭaputtaṁ about that matteretamatthaṁ ask;pucchittha;

That’s how Pūraṇa Kassapa is not honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed by his disciples. On the contrary, his disciples, not honoring and respecting him, don’t remain loyal to him. Rather, he’s reviled, and rightly so.’ Others said: ‘This bamboo-staffed ascetic Gosāla … Ajita of the hair blanket … Pakudha Kaccāyana … Sañjaya Belaṭṭhiputta … This Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people. But he’s not honored, respected, revered, and venerated by his disciples. And his disciples, not honoring and respecting him, don’t remain loyal to him. Once it so happened that he was teaching an assembly of many hundreds. Then one of his disciples made a noise, “My good fellows, don’t ask the Jain Ñātika about that.

he indeed does notneso thatetaṁ knowsjānāti;
we indeed thismayametaṁ knowjānāma, usamhe this matteretamatthaṁ askpucchatha;
we indeed thismayametaṁ of the venerable onesbhavantānaṁ we will answerbyākarissāmā”ti.
once it happenedBhūtapubbaṁ the Jainnigaṇṭho Nātaputtanāṭaputto armsbāhā having raisedpaggayha crying outkandanto notna got his waylabhati:
be quiet“appasaddā good fellowsbhonto behontu, do notmā good fellowsbhonto make a soundsaddamakattha.
not theseNete you venerable onesbhavante askpucchanti, meamhe theseete askpucchanti;
we indeed to thesemayametesaṁ we will answerbyākarissāmā”ti.
manyBahū indeedkho thenpana of the Jainnigaṇṭhassa of Nātaputtanāṭaputtassa disciplessāvakā doctrinevādaṁ having refutedāropetvā have leftapakkantā:
not“na youtvaṁ thisimaṁ teaching and trainingdhammavinayaṁ understandājānāsi, Iahaṁ thisimaṁ teaching and trainingdhammavinayaṁ understandājānāmi. whatKiṁ youtvaṁ thisimaṁ teaching and trainingdhammavinayaṁ you will understandājānissasi? practicing wrongMicchāpaṭipanno you aretvamasi. I amAhamasmi practicing rightsammāpaṭipanno. on topicSahitaṁ for meme not on topicasahitaṁ for youte, what should have been said firstpurevacanīyaṁ lastpacchā you saidavaca, what should have been said lastpacchāvacanīyaṁ firstpure you saidavaca, what you have thought so much aboutadhiciṇṇaṁ of youte disprovedviparāvattaṁ, refutedāropito of youte doctrinevādo, you are refutedniggahitosi, go oncara for the freeing of your doctrinevādappamokkhāya, get yourself outnibbeṭhehi orvā ifsace you canpahosī”ti.

He doesn’t know that. I know it. Ask me about it, and I’ll answer you.” Once it so happened that the Jain Ñātika didn’t get his way, though he called out with raised arms, “Be quiet, good fellows, don’t make a sound. They’re not asking you, they’re asking me! I’ll answer you!” Indeed, many of his disciples have left him after refuting his doctrine: “You don’t understand this teaching and training. I understand this teaching and training. What, you understand this teaching and training? You’re practicing wrong. I’m practicing right. I stay on topic, you don’t. You said last what you should have said first. You said first what you should have said last. What you’ve thought so much about has been disproved. Your doctrine is refuted. Go on, save your doctrine! You’re trapped; get yourself out of this—if you can!”

thusIti the Jainnigaṇṭho Ñātikanāṭaputto by his disciplessāvakānaṁ notna honoredsakkato notna respectedgarukato notna reveredmānito notna veneratedpūjito, notna andca on the contrarypana the Jainnigaṇṭhaṁ Ñātikanāṭaputtaṁ disciplessāvakā having honoredsakkatvā respectgaruṁ having madekatvā relying uponupanissāya they remainviharanti.
reviledAkkuṭṭho andca on the contrarypana the Jainnigaṇṭho Ñātikanāṭaputto and rightly sodhammakkosenā’ti.
someEkacce they said thusevamāhaṁsu:
this one too‘ayampi indeedkho asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo leads an ordersaṅghī andceva leads a communitygaṇī andca tutors a communitygaṇācariyo andca well-knownñāto famousyasassī religious foundertitthakaro deemed holysādhusammato by many peoplebahujanassa;
heso andca indeedkho by his disciplessāvakānaṁ honoredsakkato respectedgarukato reveredmānito veneratedpūjito, and the asceticsamaṇañca on the contrarypana Gotamagotamaṁ disciplessāvakā having honoredsakkatvā respectgaruṁ having madekatvā relying uponupanissāya they remainviharanti.
once it so happenedBhūtapubbaṁ asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo of many hundredsanekasatāya to an assemblyparisāya dhammadhammaṁ taughtdesesi.
there oneTatraññataro of the asceticsamaṇassa Gotamagotamassa a disciplesāvako cleared their throatukkāsi.
and one of their companionsTamenāññataro spiritual companionsabrahmacārī with the kneejaṇṇukena nudgedghaṭṭesi:
hush“appasaddo venerableāyasmā let behotu, may the venerable one notmāyasmā make soundsaddamakāsi, teachersatthā ourno Blessed Onebhagavā dhammadhammaṁ is teachingdesesī”ti.

That’s how the Jain Ñātika is not honored, respected, revered, and venerated by his disciples. On the contrary, his disciples, not honoring and respecting him, don’t remain loyal to him. Rather, he’s reviled, and rightly so.’ Others said: ‘This ascetic Gotama leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people. He’s honored, respected, revered, and venerated by his disciples. And his disciples, honoring and respecting him, remain loyal to him. Once it so happened that he was teaching an assembly of many hundreds. Then one of his disciples cleared their throat. And one of their spiritual companions nudged them with their knee, to indicate, “Hush, venerable, don’t make sound! Our teacher, the Blessed One, is teaching!”

in whichYasmiṁ timesamaye asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo of many hundredsanekasatāya assemblyparisāya dhammadhammaṁ teachesdeseti, notneva in thattasmiṁ timesamaye of the asceticsamaṇassa Gotamagotamassa of the disciplessāvakānaṁ coughing soundkhipitasaddo orvā there ishoti clearing-the-throat soundukkāsitasaddo orvā.
thatTamenaṁ large crowdmahājanakāyo poised expectantlypaccāsīsamānarūpo at the readypaccupaṭṭhito ishoti:
which“yaṁ to usno the Blessed Onebhagavā dhammadhammaṁ will teachbhāsissati thattaṁ weno will listen tosossāmā”ti.
just asSeyyathāpi indeednāma a personpuriso at the crossroadscātummahāpathe dwarf-bee honeykhuddamadhuṁ pureanelakaṁ would press outpīḷeyya.
thatTamenaṁ large crowdmahājanakāyo poised expectantlypaccāsīsamānarūpo at the readypaccupaṭṭhito would beassa.
in the same wayEvameva in whichyasmiṁ timesamaye asceticsamaṇo Gotamagotamo of many hundredsanekasatāya assemblyparisāya dhammadhammaṁ teachesdeseti, notneva in thattasmiṁ timesamaye of the asceticsamaṇassa Gotamagotamassa of the disciplessāvakānaṁ coughing soundkhipitasaddo orvā there ishoti clearing-the-throat soundukkāsitasaddo orvā.
thatTamenaṁ large crowdmahājanakāyo poised expectantlypaccāsīsamānarūpo at the readypaccupaṭṭhito ishoti:
which“yaṁ to usno the Blessed Onebhagavā dhammadhammaṁ will teachbhāsissati thattaṁ weno will listen tosossāmā”ti.

While the ascetic Gotama is teaching an assembly of many hundreds, there is no sound of his disciples coughing or clearing their throats. That large crowd is poised expectantly at the ready, thinking, “Whatever the Buddha teaches, we shall listen to it.” It’s like when there’s a person at the crossroads pressing out pure dwarf-bee honey, and a large crowd is poised expectantly at the ready. In the same way, while the ascetic Gotama is teaching an assembly of many hundreds, there is no sound of his disciples coughing or clearing their throats. That large crowd is poised expectantly at the ready, thinking, “Whatever the Buddha teaches, we shall listen to it.”

Lite mode — plain HTML for e-readers and old browsers. Full version