With Ghoṭamukha · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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Evaṁ me sutaṁ— ekaṁ samayaṁ āyasmā udeno bārāṇasiyaṁ viharati khemiyambavane.
So I have heard. At one time Venerable Udena was staying near Varanasi in the Khemiya Mango Grove.
Tena kho pana samayena ghoṭamukho brāhmaṇo bārāṇasiṁ anuppatto hoti kenacideva karaṇīyena. Atha kho ghoṭamukho brāhmaṇo jaṅghāvihāraṁ anucaṅkamamāno anuvicaramāno yena khemiyambavanaṁ tenupasaṅkami. Tena kho pana samayena āyasmā udeno abbhokāse caṅkamati. Atha kho ghoṭamukho brāhmaṇo yenāyasmā udeno tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmatā udenena saddhiṁ sammodi. Sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā āyasmantaṁ udenaṁ caṅkamantaṁ anucaṅkamamāno evamāha: “ambho samaṇa, ‘natthi dhammiko paribbajo’— evaṁ me ettha hoti. Tañca kho bhavantarūpānaṁ vā adassanā, yo vā panettha dhammo”ti.
Now at that time the brahmin Ghoṭamukha had arrived at Varanasi on some business. Then as he was going for a walk he went to the Khemiya Mango Grove. At that time Venerable Udena was walking mindfully in the open air. Ghoṭamukha approached and exchanged greetings with him. Walking alongside Udena, he said, “My ascetic, there is no such thing as a principled renunciate life; that’s what I think. Yet I have not seen honorable ones such as yourself, or a relevant teaching.”
Evaṁ vutte, āyasmā udeno caṅkamā orohitvā vihāraṁ pavisitvā paññatte āsane nisīdi. Ghoṭamukhopi kho brāhmaṇo caṅkamā orohitvā vihāraṁ pavisitvā ekamantaṁ aṭṭhāsi. Ekamantaṁ ṭhitaṁ kho ghoṭamukhaṁ brāhmaṇaṁ āyasmā udeno etadavoca: “saṁvijjanti kho, brāhmaṇa, āsanāni. Sace ākaṅkhasi, nisīdā”ti. “Etadeva kho pana mayaṁ bhoto udenassa āgamayamānā nisīdāma. Kathañhi nāma mādiso pubbe animantito āsane nisīditabbaṁ maññeyyā”ti?
When he said this, Udena stepped down from the walking path, entered his dwelling, and sat down on the seat spread out. Ghoṭamukha also stepped down from the walking path and entered the dwelling, where he stood to one side. Udena said to him, “There are seats, brahmin. Please sit if you wish.” “I was just waiting for you to sit down. For how on earth could one such as I presume to sit first without being invited?”
Atha kho ghoṭamukho brāhmaṇo aññataraṁ nīcaṁ āsanaṁ gahetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho ghoṭamukho brāhmaṇo āyasmantaṁ udenaṁ etadavoca: “ambho samaṇa, ‘natthi dhammiko paribbajo’— evaṁ me ettha hoti. Tañca kho bhavantarūpānaṁ vā adassanā, yo vā panettha dhammo”ti. “Sace kho pana me tvaṁ, brāhmaṇa, anuññeyyaṁ anujāneyyāsi, paṭikkositabbañca paṭikkoseyyāsi; yassa ca pana me bhāsitassa atthaṁ na jāneyyāsi, mamaṁyeva tattha uttari paṭipuccheyyāsi: ‘idaṁ, bho udena, kathaṁ, imassa kvattho’ti? Evaṁ katvā siyā no ettha kathāsallāpo”ti.
Then he took a low seat and sat to one side, where he said, “My ascetic, there is no such thing as a principled renunciate life; that’s what I think. Yet I have not seen worthy ones such as yourself, or a relevant teaching.” “Brahmin, we can discuss this. But only if you grant what should be granted, and reject what should be rejected. And if you ask me the meaning of anything you don’t understand, saying: ‘Sir, why is this? What does that mean?’”
“Anuññeyyaṁ khvāhaṁ bhoto udenassa anujānissāmi, paṭikkositabbañca paṭikkosissāmi; yassa ca panāhaṁ bhoto udenassa bhāsitassa atthaṁ na jānissāmi, bhavantaṁyeva tattha udenaṁ uttari paṭipucchissāmi: ‘idaṁ, bho udena, kathaṁ, imassa kvattho’ti? Evaṁ katvā hotu no ettha kathāsallāpo”ti.
“Let us discuss this. I will do as you say.”
“Cattārome, brāhmaṇa, puggalā santo saṁvijjamānā lokasmiṁ. Katame cattāro? Idha, brāhmaṇa, ekacco puggalo attantapo hoti attaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto. Idha pana, brāhmaṇa, ekacco puggalo parantapo hoti paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto. Idha pana, brāhmaṇa, ekacco puggalo attantapo ca hoti attaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto parantapo ca paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto. Idha pana, brāhmaṇa, ekacco puggalo nevattantapo hoti nāttaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto, na parantapo na paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto. So anattantapo aparantapo diṭṭheva dhamme nicchāto nibbuto sītībhūto sukhappaṭisaṁvedī brahmabhūtena attanā viharati. Imesaṁ, brāhmaṇa, catunnaṁ puggalānaṁ katamo te puggalo cittaṁ ārādhetī”ti? “Yvāyaṁ, bho udena, puggalo attantapo attaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto ayaṁ me puggalo cittaṁ nārādheti; yopāyaṁ, bho udena, puggalo parantapo paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto ayampi me puggalo cittaṁ nārādheti;
“Brahmin, these four individuals are found in the world. What four? One individual mortifies themselves, committed to the practice of mortifying themselves. One individual mortifies others, committed to the practice of mortifying others. One individual mortifies themselves and others, committed to the practice of mortifying themselves and others. One individual doesn’t mortify either themselves or others, committed to the practice of not mortifying themselves or others. They live without wishes in this very life, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss, with self become divine. Which one of these four individuals do you like the sound of?” “Worthy Udena, I don’t like the sound of the first three individuals.
yopāyaṁ, bho udena, puggalo attantapo ca attaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto parantapo ca paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto ayampi me puggalo cittaṁ nārādheti; yo ca kho ayaṁ, bho udena, puggalo nevattantapo nāttaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto na parantapo na paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto so anattantapo aparantapo diṭṭheva dhamme nicchāto nibbuto sītībhūto sukhappaṭisaṁvedī brahmabhūtena attanā viharati. Ayameva me puggalo cittaṁ ārādhetī”ti.
I only like the sound of the last individual, who doesn’t mortify either themselves or others.”
“Kasmā pana te, brāhmaṇa, ime tayo puggalā cittaṁ nārādhentī”ti? “Yvāyaṁ, bho udena, puggalo attantapo attaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto so attānaṁ sukhakāmaṁ dukkhapaṭikkūlaṁ ātāpeti paritāpeti; iminā me ayaṁ puggalo cittaṁ nārādheti. Yopāyaṁ, bho udena, puggalo parantapo paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto so paraṁ sukhakāmaṁ dukkhapaṭikkūlaṁ ātāpeti paritāpeti; iminā me ayaṁ puggalo cittaṁ nārādheti. Yopāyaṁ, bho udena, puggalo attantapo ca attaparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto parantapo ca paraparitāpanānuyogamanuyutto so attānañca parañca sukhakāmaṁ dukkhapaṭikkūlaṁ ātāpeti paritāpeti; iminā me ayaṁ puggalo cittaṁ nārādheti.
“But why don’t you like the sound of those three individuals?” “Worthy Udena, the individual who mortifies themselves does so even though they want to be happy and recoil from pain. That’s why I don’t like the sound of that individual. The individual who mortifies others does so even though others want to be happy and recoil from pain. That’s why I don’t like the sound of that individual. The individual who mortifies themselves and others does so even though both themselves and others want to be happy and recoil from pain. That’s why I don’t like the sound of that individual.
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