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brahmins“Brāhmaṇā,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
forth·prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya,
in the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāyā”ti.
those“Ye
thesete,
studentmāṇava,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
forth·prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya,
in the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāya—
ifsace
youte
not troubleagaru—
pleasesādhu
youte
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
in thisimasmiṁ
assemblyparisati
explainbhāsassū”ti.
not“Na
indeedkho
to meme,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
troublegaru
when such are sittingyatthassu
good fellowsbhavanto
orvā
seatednisinno
sorts like yourselvesbhavantarūpo
orvā”ti.
so“Tena
thenhi,
studentmāṇava,
explainbhāsassū”ti.
truth“Saccaṁ
indeedkho,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
firstpaṭhamaṁ
thingdhammaṁ
forth·make-knownpaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya,
in the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāya.
fervorTapaṁ
indeedkho,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
seconddutiyaṁ
thingdhammaṁ
forth·make-knownpaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya,
in the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāya.
chastityBrahmacariyaṁ
indeedkho,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
thirdtatiyaṁ
thingdhammaṁ
forth·make-knownpaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya,
in the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāya.
recitationAjjhenaṁ
indeedkho,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
fourthcatutthaṁ
thingdhammaṁ
forth·make-knownpaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya,
in the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāya.
generosityCāgaṁ
indeedkho,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
fifthpañcamaṁ
thingdhammaṁ
forth·make-knownpaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya,
in the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāya.
brahminsBrāhmaṇā,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
theseime
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
forth·make-knownpaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya,
in the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāyāti.
hereIdha
worthybhavaṁ
Gotamagotamo
what·saykimāhā”ti?
what“Kiṁ
wellpana,
studentmāṇava,
is thereatthi
anykoci
of the brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
single·brahmin·evenekabrāhmaṇopi
whoyo
says thusevamāha:
I‘ahaṁ
of theseimesaṁ
of the fivepañcannaṁ
of thingsdhammānaṁ
with my ownsayaṁ
higher·knowabhiññā
with own eyes·makesacchikatvā
the resultvipākaṁ
I declarepavedemī’”ti?
no“No
indeed + thishidaṁ,
worthybho
Gotamagotama”.
what“Kiṁ
thenpana,
studentmāṇava,
there isatthi
anykoci
of the brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
even a single tutorekācariyopi
or a tutor's tutorekācariyapācariyopi
back toyāva
seventhsattamā
generation of tutorsācariyamahayugāpi
whoyo
says thusevamāha:
I‘ahaṁ
of theseimesaṁ
of the fivepañcannaṁ
of thingsdhammānaṁ
with my ownsayaṁ
insightabhiññā
directly·makesacchikatvā
resultvipākaṁ
I declarepavedemī’”ti?
no“No
indeedhidaṁ,
worthybho
Gotamagotama”.
what“Kiṁ
thenpana,
studentmāṇava,
whoyepi
thosete
of the brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
ancientpubbakā
seersisayo
of hymnsmantānaṁ
authorskattāro
of hymnsmantānaṁ
propagatorspavattāro
who + thisyesamidaṁ
nowetarahi
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
ancientporāṇaṁ
hymn·wordmantapadaṁ
sunggītaṁ
propagatedpavuttaṁ
compiledsamihitaṁ
it·sing alongtadanugāyanti
it·chant alongtadanubhāsanti
chanted + chantbhāsitamanubhāsanti
teach what was taughtvācitamanuvācenti,
namelyseyyathidaṁ—aṭṭhako
Vāmakavāmako
Vāmadevavāmadevo
Vessāmittavessāmitto
Yamadaggiyamataggi
Aṅgīrasaaṅgīraso
Bhāradvājabhāradvājo
Vāseṭṭhavāseṭṭho
Kassapakassapo
Bhagubhagu,
they tootepi
did say thusevamāhaṁsu:
we‘mayaṁ
of theseimesaṁ
of the fivepañcannaṁ
of thingsdhammānaṁ
with our ownsayaṁ
insightabhiññā
having realizedsacchikatvā
resultvipākaṁ
we declarepavedemā’”ti?
no“No
indeedhidaṁ,
worthybho
Gotamagotama”.
so“Iti
it seemskira,
studentmāṇava,
there is notnatthi
anykoci
of the brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
a single brahminekabrāhmaṇopi
whoyo
says thusevamāha:
I‘ahaṁ
of theseimesaṁ
of the fivepañcannaṁ
of thingsdhammānaṁ
with my ownsayaṁ
insightabhiññā
having realizedsacchikatvā
resultvipākaṁ
I declarepavedemī’ti;
there is notnatthi
anyonekoci
of brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
even back one teacherekācariyopi
even back to teacher's teacherekācariyapācariyopi
as far asyāva
seventhsattamā
even back to seventh generation of teachersācariyamahayugāpi
whoyo
speaks thusevamāha:
I‘ahaṁ
of theseimesaṁ
of fivepañcannaṁ
of thingsdhammānaṁ
oneselfsayaṁ
direct·knowledgeabhiññā
with own eyes·having donesacchikatvā
resultvipākaṁ
I declarepavedemī’ti;
who·evenyepi
thosete
of brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
ancientpubbakā
seersisayo
of mantrasmantānaṁ
makerskattāro
of mantrasmantānaṁ
promulgatorspavattāro,
whose thisyesamidaṁ
nowetarahi
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
ancientporāṇaṁ
mantra·textmantapadaṁ
sunggītaṁ
recitedpavuttaṁ
compiledsamihitaṁ,
it·after·singtadanugāyanti
it·after·recitetadanubhāsanti
they recite what was spokenbhāsitamanubhāsanti
they recite what was taughtvācitamanuvācenti,
that is to say—Aṭṭhakaseyyathidaṁ—aṭṭhako
Vāmakavāmako
Vāmadevavāmadevo
Vessāmittavessāmitto
Yamataggiyamataggi
Aṅgīrasaaṅgīraso
Bhāradvājabhāradvājo
Vāseṭṭhavāseṭṭho
Kassapakassapo
Bhagubhagu.
they·evenTepi
notna
thus·speakevamāhaṁsu:
we‘mayaṁ
of theseimesaṁ
of fivepañcannaṁ
of thingsdhammānaṁ
ourselvessayaṁ
direct·knowledgeabhiññā
with own eyes·having donesacchikatvā
resultvipākaṁ
we declarepavedemā’ti.
just asSeyyathāpi,
studentmāṇava,
blind·queueandhaveṇi
succession·joinedparamparāsaṁsattā
first·evenpurimopi
notna
seespassati
middle·evenmajjhimopi
notna
seespassati
last·evenpacchimopi
notna
seespassati;
just soevameva
indeedkho,
studentmāṇava,
blind·queue·comparableandhaveṇūpamaṁ
I thinkmaññe
of brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
statementbhāsitaṁ
first·evensampajjati—purimopi
notna
seespassati
middle·evenmajjhimopi
notna
seespassati
last·evenpacchimopi
notna
seespassatī”ti.
thusEvaṁ
when saidvutte,
Subhasubho
young brahminmāṇavo
Todeyya·sontodeyyaputto
by the Blessed Onebhagavatā
with the simile of the queue of blind menandhaveṇūpamena
being addressedvuccamāno
angrykupito
not·pleasedanattamano
Blessed One·indeedbhagavantaṁyeva
attackingkhuṁsento
Blessed One·indeedbhagavantaṁyeva
badmouthingvambhento
Blessed One·indeedbhagavantaṁyeva
sayingvadamāno:
ascetic“samaṇo
Gotamagotamo
worstedpāpito
will bebhavissatī”ti
to the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ
this·sayetadavoca:
brahmin“brāhmaṇo,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
Pokkharasātipokkharasāti
Upamaññaopamañño
Subhaga·forestsubhagavaniko
thus·sayevamāha:
exactly so‘evameva
but·here·somepanidhekacce
ascetic·brahminsamaṇabrāhmaṇā
superhumanuttari
human·statemanussadhammā
worthy·noble·knowledge·vision·distinctionalamariyañāṇadassanavisesaṁ
they claimpaṭijānanti.
their·thisTesamidaṁ
statementbhāsitaṁ
joke·indeedhassakaṁyeva
together·turnsampajjati,
mere words·indeednāmakaṁyeva
together·turnsampajjati,
vacuous·indeedrittakaṁyeva
together·turnsampajjati,
hollow·indeedtucchakaṁyeva
together·turnsampajjati.
how·forKathañhi
on earthnāma
human·beingmanussabhūto
superhumanuttari
human·statemanussadhammā
worthy·noble·knowledge·vision·distinctionalamariyañāṇadassanavisesaṁ
will knowñassati
orvā
will seedakkhati
orvā
realizesacchi
orvā
will makekarissatīti—
not·thatnetaṁ
possibleṭhānaṁ
is foundvijjatī’”ti?
what“Kiṁ
butpana,
studentmāṇava,
brahminbrāhmaṇo
Pokkharasātipokkharasāti
Opamaññaopamañño
Subhagavanikasubhagavaniko
all + justsabbesaṁyeva
of ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇānaṁ
with mindcetasā
mindceto
around·goparicca
understandspajānātī”ti?
even of his own“Sakāyapi
indeedhi,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
Puṇṇikāpuṇṇikāya
bonded maiddāsiyā
brahminbrāhmaṇo
Pokkharasātipokkharasāti
Opamaññaopamañño
Subhagavanikasubhagavaniko
with mindcetasā
mindceto
around·goparicca
notna
understandspajānāti,
howkuto
butpana
all + justsabbesaṁyeva
of ascetics and brahminssamaṇabrāhmaṇānaṁ
with mindcetasā
mindceto
around·goparicca
will understandpajānissatī”ti?
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