With Subha · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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Evaṁ
me
sutaṁ—
ekaṁ
samayaṁ
bhagavā
sāvatthiyaṁ
viharati
jetavane
anāthapiṇḍikassa
ārāme.
So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery.
Tena
kho
pana
samayena
subho
māṇavo
todeyyaputto
sāvatthiyaṁ
paṭivasati
aññatarassa
gahapatissa
nivesane
kenacideva
karaṇīyena.
Atha
kho
subho
māṇavo
todeyyaputto
yassa
gahapatissa
nivesane
paṭivasati
taṁ
gahapatiṁ
etadavoca:
“sutaṁ
metaṁ,
gahapati:
‘avivittā
sāvatthī
arahantehī’ti.
Kaṁ
nu
khvajja
samaṇaṁ
vā
brāhmaṇaṁ
vā
payirupāseyyāmā”ti?
“Ayaṁ,
bhante,
bhagavā
sāvatthiyaṁ
viharati
jetavane
anāthapiṇḍikassa
ārāme.
Taṁ,
bhante,
bhagavantaṁ
payirupāsassū”ti.
Now at that time the student Subha, Todeyya’s son, was residing in Sāvatthī at a certain householder’s home on some business. Then Subha said to that householder, “Householder, I have heard that Sāvatthī does not lack for perfected ones. What ascetic or brahmin might we pay homage to today?” “Sir, the Buddha is staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. You can pay homage to him.”
Atha
kho
subho
māṇavo
todeyyaputto
tassa
gahapatissa
paṭissutvā
yena
bhagavā
tenupasaṅkami;
upasaṅkamitvā
bhagavatā
saddhiṁ
sammodi.
Sammodanīyaṁ
kathaṁ
sāraṇīyaṁ
vītisāretvā
ekamantaṁ
nisīdi.
Ekamantaṁ
nisinno
kho
subho
māṇavo
todeyyaputto
bhagavantaṁ
etadavoca:
Acknowledging that householder, Subha went to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to the Buddha:
“brāhmaṇā,
bho
gotama,
evamāhaṁsu:
‘gahaṭṭho
ārādhako
hoti
ñāyaṁ
dhammaṁ
kusalaṁ,
na
pabbajito
ārādhako
hoti
ñāyaṁ
dhammaṁ
kusalan’ti.
Idha
bhavaṁ
gotamo
kimāhā”ti?
“Vibhajjavādo
kho
ahamettha,
māṇava;
nāhamettha
ekaṁsavādo.
Gihissa
vāhaṁ,
māṇava,
pabbajitassa
vā
micchāpaṭipattiṁ
na
vaṇṇemi.
Gihī
vā
hi,
māṇava,
pabbajito
vā
micchāpaṭipanno
micchāpaṭipattādhikaraṇahetu
na
ārādhako
hoti
ñāyaṁ
dhammaṁ
kusalaṁ.
Gihissa
vāhaṁ,
māṇava,
pabbajitassa
vā
sammāpaṭipattiṁ
vaṇṇemi.
Gihī
vā
hi,
māṇava,
pabbajito
vā
sammāpaṭipanno
sammāpaṭipattādhikaraṇahetu
ārādhako
hoti
ñāyaṁ
dhammaṁ
kusalan”ti.
“Worthy Gotama, the brahmins say: ‘Laypeople succeed in the system of the skillful teaching, not renunciates.’ What do you say about this?” “On this point, student, I speak after analyzing the question, not one-sidedly. I don’t praise wrong practice for either laypeople or renunciates. Because of wrong practice, neither laypeople nor renunciates succeed in the system of the skillful teaching. I praise right practice for both laypeople and renunciates. Because of right practice, both laypeople and renunciates succeed in the system of the skillful teaching.”
“Brāhmaṇā,
bho
gotama,
evamāhaṁsu:
‘mahaṭṭhamidaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
gharāvāsakammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti;
appaṭṭhamidaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
pabbajjā
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hotī’ti.
Idha
bhavaṁ
gotamo
kimāhā”ti.
“Etthāpi
kho
ahaṁ,
māṇava,
vibhajjavādo;
nāhamettha
ekaṁsavādo.
Atthi,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ,
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti;
atthi,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ,
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti;
atthi,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ,
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti;
atthi,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti.
“Worthy Gotama, the brahmins say: ‘Since the work of the lay life has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings it is very fruitful. But since the work of the renunciate has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings it is not very fruitful.’ What do you say about this?” “On this point, too, I speak after analyzing the question, not one-sidedly. Some work has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it fails it’s not very fruitful. Some work has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it succeeds it is very fruitful. Some work has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it fails it’s not very fruitful. Some work has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it succeeds it is very fruitful.
Katamañca,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti?
Kasi
kho,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti.
Katamañca,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti?
Kasiyeva
kho,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti.
Katamañca,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti?
Vaṇijjā
kho,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti.
Katamañca,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti?
Vaṇijjāyeva
kho,
māṇava,
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti.
And what work has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it fails it’s not very fruitful? Farming. And what work has many obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it succeeds it is very fruitful? Again, it is farming. And what work has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it fails it’s not very fruitful? Trade. And what work has few obligations, duties, issues, and undertakings, and when it succeeds it is very fruitful? Again, it’s trade.
Seyyathāpi,
māṇava,
kasi
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti;
evameva
kho,
māṇava,
gharāvāsakammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti.
Seyyathāpi,
māṇava,
kasiyeva
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti;
evameva
kho,
māṇava,
gharāvāsakammaṭṭhānaṁ
mahaṭṭhaṁ
mahākiccaṁ
mahādhikaraṇaṁ
mahāsamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti.
Seyyathāpi,
māṇava,
vaṇijjā
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti;
evameva
kho,
māṇava,
pabbajjā
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
vipajjamānaṁ
appaphalaṁ
hoti.
Seyyathāpi,
māṇava,
vaṇijjāyeva
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hoti;
evameva
kho,
māṇava,
pabbajjā
kammaṭṭhānaṁ
appaṭṭhaṁ
appakiccaṁ
appādhikaraṇaṁ
appasamārambhaṁ
sampajjamānaṁ
mahapphalaṁ
hotī”ti.
The lay life is like farming in that it’s work with many obligations and when it fails it’s not very fruitful; but when it succeeds it is very fruitful. The renunciate life is like trade in that it’s work with few obligations and when it fails it’s not very fruitful; but when it succeeds it is very fruitful.”
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