With Subha · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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thatTaṁ
whatkiṁ
you thinkmaññasi,
studentmāṇava,
whichyaṁ
orvā
depending on grass and sticks as fueltiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ
depending onpaṭicca
fireaggiṁ
one might kindlejāleyya
whichyaṁ
orvā
not depending on grass and sticks as fuelnissaṭṭhatiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ
fireaggiṁ
one might kindlejāleyya,
whichkatamo
thennu
would be for itkhvāssa
fireaggi
with flamesaccimā
andceva
with colorvaṇṇavā
andca
with radiancepabhassaro
and?cā”ti?
If“Sace
thattaṁ,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
thingṭhānaṁ
not depending on grass and sticks as fuelnissaṭṭhatiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ
fireaggiṁ
to kindlejāletuṁ,
would be for itsvāssa
fireaggi
with flamesaccimā
andceva
with colorvaṇṇavā
andca
with radiancepabhassaro
and.cā”ti.
impossible“Aṭṭhānaṁ
indeedkho
thisetaṁ,
studentmāṇava,
not a possibilityanavakāso
thatyaṁ
not depending on grass and sticks as fuelnissaṭṭhatiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ
fireaggiṁ
one might kindlejāleyya
exceptaññatra
by one with psychic poweriddhimatā.
just asSeyyathāpi,
studentmāṇava,
depending on grass and sticks as fueltiṇakaṭṭhupādānaṁ
depending onpaṭicca
fireaggi
burnsjalati
such is the simile; I saytathūpamāhaṁ,
studentmāṇava,
thisimaṁ
rapturepītiṁ
I speak ofvadāmi
whichyāyaṁ
rapturepīti
fivepañca
strands of sensual pleasurekāmaguṇe
depending onpaṭicca.
just asSeyyathāpi,
studentmāṇava,
not depending on grass and sticks as fuelnissaṭṭhatiṇakaṭṭhupādāno
fireaggi
burnsjalati
such is the simile; I saytathūpamāhaṁ,
studentmāṇava,
thisimaṁ
rapturepītiṁ
I speak ofvadāmi
whichyāyaṁ
rapturepīti
apart onlyaññatreva
from sensual pleasureskāmehi
apartaññatra
from unskillfulakusalehi
qualitiesdhammehi.
whichKatamā
andca,
studentmāṇava,
rapturepīti
apart onlyaññatreva
from sensual pleasureskāmehi
apartaññatra
from unskillfulakusalehi
qualities?dhammehi?
here,Idha,
young brahmin,māṇava,
a mendicantbhikkhu
quite secludedvivicceva
from sensual pleasureskāmehi
……pe…
firstpaṭhamaṁ
absorption,jhānaṁ
having entered,upasampajja
remains.viharati.
This tooAyampi
indeed,kho,
young brahmin,māṇava,
rapturepīti
apart only fromaññatreva
from sensual pleasureskāmehi
apart fromaññatra
unskillfulakusalehi
qualities.dhammehi.
Furthermore,Puna
and moreover,caparaṁ,
young brahmin,māṇava,
a mendicantbhikkhu
of placing the mind and keeping it connectedvitakkavicārānaṁ
by the stillingvūpasamā
……
seconddutiyaṁ
absorption,jhānaṁ
having entered,upasampajja
remains.viharati.
This tooAyampi
indeed,kho,
young brahmin,māṇava,
rapturepīti
apart only fromaññatreva
from sensual pleasureskāmehi
apart fromaññatra
unskillfulakusalehi
qualities.dhammehi.
whichYe
thosete,
studentmāṇava,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya
skillfulkusalassa
for succeeding inārādhanāya,
which herekatamettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
thingdhammaṁ
most fruitfulmahapphalataraṁ
prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya
skillfulkusalassa
for succeeding in?'ārādhanāyā”ti?
those“Yeme,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya
skillfulkusalassa
for succeeding inārādhanāya,
generosity herecāgamettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
thingdhammaṁ
most fruitfulmahapphalataraṁ
prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya
skillfulkusalassa
for succeeding in.'ārādhanāyā”ti.
that“Taṁ
whatkiṁ
you thinkmaññasi,
studentmāṇava,
hereidha
of someaññatarassa
of a brahminbrāhmaṇassa
a grand sacrificemahāyañño
was setting uppaccupaṭṭhito
it would beassa.
thenAtha
twodve
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
would comeāgaccheyyuṁ:
named so-and-so‘itthannāmassa
of the brahminbrāhmaṇassa
the grand sacrificemahāyaññaṁ
we shall participate inanubhavissāmā’ti.
Then of oneTatrekassa
of a brahminbrāhmaṇassa
it would be thusevamassa:
oh‘aho
indeedvata
I aloneahameva
I might getlabheyyaṁ
in the refectorybhattagge
the best seataggāsanaṁ
the best drinkaggodakaṁ
the best almsfoodaggapiṇḍaṁ,
notna
otherañño
brahminbrāhmaṇo
might getlabheyya
in the refectorybhattagge
the best seataggāsanaṁ
the best drinkaggodakaṁ
the best almsfoodaggapiṇḍan’ti.
it is possibleṬhānaṁ
indeedkho
that thispanetaṁ,
studentmāṇava,
existsvijjati
thatyaṁ
otherañño
brahminbrāhmaṇo
might getlabheyya
in the refectorybhattagge
the best seataggāsanaṁ
the best drinkaggodakaṁ
the best almsfoodaggapiṇḍaṁ,
notna
thatso
brahminbrāhmaṇo
might getlabheyya
in the refectorybhattagge
the best seataggāsanaṁ
the best drinkaggodakaṁ
the best almsfoodaggapiṇḍaṁ.
Other‘Añño
brahminbrāhmaṇo
getslabhati
in the refectorybhattagge
the best seataggāsanaṁ
the best drinkaggodakaṁ
the best almsfoodaggapiṇḍaṁ,
but not Ināhaṁ
I getlabhāmi
in the refectorybhattagge
the best seataggāsanaṁ
the best drinkaggodakaṁ
the best almsfoodaggapiṇḍan’ti—
thusiti
thatso
angrykupito
he ishoti
upsetanattamano.
of thisImassa
butpana,
studentmāṇava,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
whatkiṁ
resultvipākaṁ
do they declarepaññapentī”ti?
No“Na
indeed herekhvettha,
worthybho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
thusevaṁ
a giftdānaṁ
they givedenti:
by this‘iminā
anotherparo
angrykupito
may he behotu
upsetanattamano’ti.
thenAtha
indeed herekhvettha
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
only born from sympathyanukampājātikaṁyeva
giftdānaṁ
they give, quotation enddentī”ti.
quotation marker thus“Evaṁ
being sosante
indeedkho,
studentmāṇava,
of brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
thisidaṁ
sixthchaṭṭhaṁ
ground for making meritpuññakiriyavatthu
ishoti—
that isyadidaṁ
born from sympathy, quotation endanukampājātikan”ti.
quotation marker thus“Evaṁ
being sosante,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
of brahminsbrāhmaṇānaṁ
thisidaṁ
sixthchaṭṭhaṁ
ground for making meritpuññakiriyavatthu
ishoti—
that isyadidaṁ
born from sympathy, quotation endanukampājātikan”ti.
which“Ye
thesete,
studentmāṇava,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for the makingkiriyāya
of the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāya,
theseime
youtvaṁ
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
wherekattha
usuallybahulaṁ
do you seesamanupassasi—
among laypeoplegahaṭṭhesu
orvā
among renunciatespabbajitesu
orvā”ti?
which“Yeme,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for the makingkiriyāya
of the skillfulkusalassa
for succeedingārādhanāya,
theseimāhaṁ
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
among renunciatespabbajitesu
usuallybahulaṁ
I seesamanupassāmi
lessappaṁ
among laypeoplegahaṭṭhesu.
a laypersonGahaṭṭho
forhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
with many obligationsmahaṭṭho
with many dutiesmahākicco
with many issuesmahādhikaraṇo
with many undertakingsmahāsamārambho,
notna
alwayssatataṁ
constantlysamitaṁ
a truth-speakersaccavādī
ishoti;
a renunciatepabbajito
indeedkho
butpana,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
with few obligationsappaṭṭho
with few dutiesappakicco
with few issuesappādhikaraṇo
with few undertakingsappasamārambho,
alwayssatataṁ
constantlysamitaṁ
a truth-speakersaccavādī
ishoti.
a laypersonGahaṭṭho
forhi,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
with many obligationsmahaṭṭho
with many dutiesmahākicco
with many issuesmahādhikaraṇo
with many undertakingsmahāsamārambho
notna
alwayssatataṁ
constantlysamitaṁ
ferventtapassī
ishoti
……
chastebrahmacārī
ishoti
……
rehearsing a lotsajjhāyabahulo
ishoti
……
very generouscāgabahulo
ishoti;
a renunciatepabbajito
indeedkho
butpana,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
of few obligationsappaṭṭho
of few dutiesappakicco
of few issuesappādhikaraṇo
of few undertakingsappasamārambho
alwayssatataṁ
constantlysamitaṁ
ferventtapassī
ishoti
……
chastebrahmacārī
ishoti
……
rehearsing a lotsajjhāyabahulo
ishoti
……
very generouscāgabahulo
ishoti.
theseYeme,
sirbho
Gotamagotama,
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
prescribepaññapenti
of meritpuññassa
for makingkiriyāya
skillfulkusalassa
for succeeding inārādhanāya,
these Iimāhaṁ
fivepañca
thingsdhamme
among renunciatespabbajitesu
usuallybahulaṁ
I findsamanupassāmi
lessappaṁ
among laypeoplegahaṭṭhesū”ti.
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