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Majjhima Nikāya 101

Devadahasutta

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one who speaks thus tooEvaṁvādīpi indeedkho Iahaṁ, O monksbhikkhave, among the Jainsnigaṇṭhesu notna anykañci legitimatesahadhammikaṁ defense of doctrinevādapaṭihāraṁ I seesamanupassāmi.

againPuna and furthercaparāhaṁ, monksbhikkhave, thosete Jain asceticsnigaṇṭhe thusevaṁ I sayvadāmi:
that‘taṁ whatkiṁ do you think, reverendsmaññathāvuso Jain asceticsnigaṇṭhā, that which, thisyamidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experienced in this lifediṭṭhadhammavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be experienced in lives to comesamparāyavedanīyaṁ let it be; quotation markerhotūti can this be gottenlabbhametan’ti?
no‘No indeed, thishidaṁ, reverendāvuso’.
but‘Yaṁ but thispanidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experienced in lives to comesamparāyavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be experienced in this lifediṭṭhadhammavedanīyaṁ let it be; quotation markerhotūti can this be gottenlabbhametan’ti?
no‘No indeed, thishidaṁ, reverendāvuso’.

that‘Taṁ what?kiṁ do you think, reverendsmaññathāvuso Nigaṇṭhasnigaṇṭhā, that which here isyamidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experienced as pleasantsukhavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by effortpadhānena orvā to be experienced as painfuldukkhavedanīyaṁ let it behotūti can this be obtained?labbhametan’ti?
No‘No indeed thishidaṁ, reverendāvuso’.
which‘Yaṁ but this herepanidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experienced as painfuldukkhavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by effortpadhānena orvā to be experienced as pleasantsukhavedanīyaṁ let it behotūti can this be obtained?labbhametan’ti?
No‘No indeed thishidaṁ, reverendāvuso’.

that‘Taṁ what?kiṁ do you think, reverendsmaññathāvuso Nigaṇṭhasnigaṇṭhā, which indeed thisyamidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experienced when ripeparipakkavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be experienced when unripeaparipakkavedanīyaṁ let it be; quotation markerhotūti is it possible?labbhametan’ti?
no‘No indeed, reverendhidaṁ, reverendāvuso’.
which‘Yaṁ but indeed thispanidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experienced when unripeaparipakkavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be experienced when ripeparipakkavedanīyaṁ let it be; quotation markerhotūti is it possible?labbhametan’ti?
no‘No indeed, reverendhidaṁ, reverendāvuso’.

that‘Taṁ what?kiṁ do you think, reverends?maññathāvuso Nigaṇṭhas,nigaṇṭhā, that which is thisyamidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experienced a lotbahuvedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by effortpadhānena orvā to be experienced a littleappavedanīyaṁ let it be, they sayhotūti this is possible?labbhametan’ti?
no‘No indeed,hidaṁ, reverend.āvuso’.
that which‘Yaṁ but thispanidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experienced a littleappavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by effortpadhānena orvā to be experienced a lotbahuvedanīyaṁ let it be, they sayhotūti this is possible?labbhametan’ti?
no‘No indeed,hidaṁ, reverend.āvuso’.

'that‘Taṁ what?kiṁ do you think, reverends?maññathāvuso Nigaṇṭhas,nigaṇṭhā, that which hereyamidaṁ deedkammaṁ to be experiencedsavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā not to be experiencedavedanīyaṁ may it be so?hotūti is that possible?'labbhametan’ti?
'No‘No indeed,hidaṁ, reverend'.āvuso’.
'But‘Yaṁ that which herepanidaṁ deedkammaṁ not to be experiencedavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be experiencedsavedanīyaṁ may it be so?hotūti is that possible?'labbhametan’ti?
'No‘No indeed,hidaṁ, reverend'.āvuso’.

thus‘Iti indeedkira, friendāvuso Nigaṇṭhasnigaṇṭhā, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be felt here and nowdiṭṭhadhammavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be felt in a future lifesamparāyavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, whichyaṁ but thispanidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be felt in a future lifesamparāyavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be felt here and nowdiṭṭhadhammavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be felt as pleasantsukhavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be felt as painfuldukkhavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be felt as painfuldukkhavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be felt as pleasantsukhavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be felt when matureparipakkavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be felt when immatureaparipakkavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be felt when immatureaparipakkavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be felt when matureparipakkavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be felt as muchbahuvedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be felt as littleappavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be felt as littleappavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be felt as muchbahuvedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ to be feltsavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā not to be feltavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ, that whichyamidaṁ kammakammaṁ not to be feltavedanīyaṁ thattaṁ by exertionupakkamena orvā by strivingpadhānena orvā to be feltsavedanīyaṁ may it behotūti this is impossiblealabbhametaṁ;

thusevaṁ being sosante venerable onesāyasmantānaṁ of the Nigaṇṭhasnigaṇṭhānaṁ fruitlessaphalo exertionupakkamo ishoti, fruitlessaphalaṁ strivingpadhānaṁ’.

speaking thusEvaṁvādī, monksbhikkhave, Jain asceticsnigaṇṭhā.
of those speaking thusEvaṁvādīnaṁ, monksbhikkhave, of the Jain asceticsnigaṇṭhānaṁ tendasa legitimatesahadhammikā grounds for rebuttal and criticismvādānuvādā deserving of censuregārayhaṁ groundṭhānaṁ they come toāgacchanti.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, sentient beingssattā because of past deedspubbekatahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti;
clearlyaddhā, monksbhikkhave, the Jain asceticsnigaṇṭhā in the pastpubbe doers of bad deedsdukkaṭakammakārino sinceyaṁ nowetarahi suchevarūpā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā bitingkaṭukā painful feelingsvedanā they experiencevediyanti.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, sentient beingssattā because of God Almighty's creationissaranimmānahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti;
clearlyaddhā, monksbhikkhave, the Jain asceticsnigaṇṭhā by a bad Godpāpakena by Godissarena creatednimmitā sinceyaṁ nowetarahi suchevarūpā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā bitingkaṭukā painful feelingsvedanā they experiencevediyanti.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, sentient beingssattā because of circumstance and naturesaṅgatibhāvahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti;
clearlyaddhā, monksbhikkhave, the Jain asceticsnigaṇṭhā arising from bad circumstancespāpasaṅgatikā sinceyaṁ nowetarahi suchevarūpā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā bitingkaṭukā painful feelingsvedanā they experiencevediyanti.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, sentient beingssattā because of the class of rebirthabhijātihetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti;
clearlyaddhā, monksbhikkhave, the Jain asceticsnigaṇṭhā reborn in a bad classpāpābhijātikā sinceyaṁ nowetarahi suchevarūpā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā bitingkaṭukā painful feelingsvedanā they experiencevediyanti.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, sentient beingssattā because of exertion in this lifediṭṭhadhammūpakkamahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti;

surelyaddhā, monksbhikkhave, the Jainsnigaṇṭhā of such kindevarūpā exerting in this lifediṭṭhadhammūpakkamā sinceyaṁ nowetarahi of such kindevarūpā painfuldukkhā sharptibbā bitingkaṭukā feelingsvedanā they experiencevediyanti.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, beingssattā because of past deedspubbekatahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā;
notno ifce beingssattā because of past deedspubbekatahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, beingssattā because of creation by a lordissaranimmānahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā;
notno ifce beingssattā because of creation by a lordissaranimmānahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, beingssattā because of circumstance and naturesaṅgatibhāvahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā;
notno ifce beingssattā because of circumstance and naturesaṅgatibhāvahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, beingssattā because of class of rebirthabhijātihetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā;
notno ifce beingssattā because of class of rebirthabhijātihetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā.
ifSace, monksbhikkhave, beingssattā because of exertion in this lifediṭṭhadhammūpakkamahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā;
notno ifce beingssattā because of exertion in this lifediṭṭhadhammūpakkamahetu pleasure and painsukhadukkhaṁ they experiencepaṭisaṁvedenti, blameworthygārayhā the Jainsnigaṇṭhā.
speaking thusEvaṁvādī, monksbhikkhave, the Jainsnigaṇṭhā.

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