With Bhūmija · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral
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and a caseṬhānañca
indeedkho
thisetaṁ
is foundvijjati
thatyaṁ
the Blessed Onebhagavā
thusevaṁ
would explainbyākareyyā’ti.
if‘Sace
of the masterbhoto
of Bhūmijabhūmijassa
teachersatthā
teaching thusevaṁvādī
proclaiming thusevamakkhāyī,
certainlyaddhā
of the masterbhoto
of Bhūmijabhūmijassa
teachersatthā
of allsabbesaṁyeva
of various ascetics and brahminsputhusamaṇabrāhmaṇānaṁ
on the headmuddhānaṁ
I thinkmaññe
having struckāhacca
standstiṭṭhatī’ti.
could I‘Kaccāhaṁ,
venerable sirbhante,
thusevaṁ
being askedpuṭṭho
thusevaṁ
answeringbyākaramāno
speaking what was saidvuttavādī
andceva
of the Blessed Onebhagavato
I amhomi,
notna
andca
the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ
with untruthabhūtena
I misrepresentabbhācikkhāmi,
of the teachingdhammassa
and in line withcānudhammaṁ
I explainbyākaromi,
notna
andca
anykoci
with legitimate groundssahadhammiko
rebuttal or criticismvādānuvādo
worthy of censuregārayhaṁ
a caseṭhānaṁ
comes toāgacchatī’”ti?
“Answering this way, I trust that I repeated what the Buddha has said, and didn’t misrepresent him with an untruth. I trust my explanation was in line with the teaching, and that there are no legitimate grounds for rebuttal or criticism.”
indeed“Taggha youtvaṁ, Bhūmijabhūmija, thusevaṁ askedpuṭṭho thusevaṁ answeringbyākaramāno one who speaks as saidvuttavādī and indeedceva of meme you arehosi, notna andca memaṁ with untruthabhūtena you misrepresentabbhācikkhasi, of the teachingdhammassa and in line with the teachingcānudhammaṁ you explainbyākarosi, notna andca anykoci legitimatesahadhammiko grounds for rebuttalvādānuvādo censurablegārayhaṁ groundṭhānaṁ comes toāgacchati.
“Indeed, Bhūmija, in answering this way you repeated what I’ve said, and didn’t misrepresent me with an untruth. Your explanation was in line with the teaching, and there are no legitimate grounds for rebuttal or criticism.
whoeverYe
indeedhi
anykeci,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
asceticssamaṇā
orvā
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
orvā
wrong-viewedmicchādiṭṭhino
wrong-purposedmicchāsaṅkappā
wrong-spokenmicchāvācā
wrong-actingmicchākammantā
wrong-livingmicchāājīvā
wrong-strivingmicchāvāyāmā
wrong-mindfulmicchāsatī
wrong-immersedmicchāsamādhino
theyte
even with wishāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they leadcaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
to the attainmentadhigamāya;
even without wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they leadcaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
to the attainmentadhigamāya;
with wish andāsañca
even without wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they leadcaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
to the attainmentadhigamāya;
neither wishnevāsaṁ
nor even without wishnānāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they leadcaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
to the attainmentadhigamāya.
thatTaṁ
of whatkissa
reason?hetu?
irrationalAyoni
this ishesā,
Bhūmija,bhūmija,
of the fruitphalassa
to the attainmentadhigamāya.
There are some ascetics and brahmins who have wrong view, wrong purpose, wrong speech, wrong action, wrong livelihood, wrong effort, wrong mindfulness, and wrong immersion. If they lead the spiritual life, they can’t win the fruit, regardless of whether they make a wish, they don’t make a wish, they both do and do not make a wish, or they neither do nor don’t make a wish. Why is that? Because that’s an irrational way to win the fruit.
just asSeyyathāpi,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
a personpuriso
needing oiltelatthiko
seeking oiltelagavesī
in search of oiltelapariyesanaṁ
wanderingcaramāno
sandvālikaṁ
into a bucketdoṇiyā
having heapedākiritvā
with waterudakena
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
might presspīḷeyya.
if making a wishĀsañcepi
having madekaritvā
sandvālikaṁ
into a bucketdoṇiyā
having heapedākiritvā
with waterudakena
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
might presspīḷeyya,
unableabhabbo
of oiltelassa
for extractionadhigamāya;
if not making a wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
sandvālikaṁ
into a bucketdoṇiyā
having heapedākiritvā
with waterudakena
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
might presspīḷeyya,
unableabhabbo
of oiltelassa
for extractionadhigamāya;
and if making a wishāsañca
and if not making a wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
sandvālikaṁ
into a bucketdoṇiyā
having heapedākiritvā
with waterudakena
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
might presspīḷeyya,
unableabhabbo
of oiltelassa
for extractionadhigamāya;
neither a wishnevāsaṁ
nor not a wishnānāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
sandvālikaṁ
into a bucketdoṇiyā
having heapedākiritvā
with waterudakena
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
sprinkling little by littleparipphosakaṁ
might presspīḷeyya,
unableabhabbo
of oiltelassa
for extractionadhigamāya.
thatTaṁ
of whatkissa
is the causehetu?
irrationalAyoni
for thishesā,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
of oiltelassa
for extractionadhigamāya.
just soEvameva
indeedkho,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
whateverye
indeedhi
anykeci
asceticssamaṇā
orvā
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
orvā
wrong viewmicchādiṭṭhino
wrong purposemicchāsaṅkappā
wrong speechmicchāvācā
wrong actionmicchākammantā
wrong livelihoodmicchāājīvā
wrong effortmicchāvāyāmā
wrong mindfulnessmicchāsatī
wrong immersionmicchāsamādhino
theyte
if making a wishāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they leadcaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
for attainmentadhigamāya;
Suppose there was a person in need of oil. While wandering in search of oil, they tried heaping sand in a bucket, sprinkling it little by little with water, and pressing it out. But by doing this, they couldn’t extract any oil, regardless of whether they made a wish, didn’t make a wish, both did and did not make a wish, or neither did nor did not make a wish. Why is that? Because that’s an irrational way to extract oil. And so it is for any ascetics and brahmins who have wrong view, wrong purpose, wrong speech, wrong action, wrong livelihood, wrong effort, wrong mindfulness, and wrong immersion. If they lead the spiritual life, they can’t win the fruit, regardless of whether or not they make a wish.
even making it without wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they livecaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
for the attainmentadhigamāya;
with wish andāsañca
even making it without wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they livecaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
for the attainmentadhigamāya;
neither with wishnevāsaṁ
nor even making it without wishnānāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the holy lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they livecaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
for the attainmentadhigamāya.
thatTaṁ
of whatkissa
is the causehetu?
irrationalAyoni
indeed thishesā,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
of the fruitphalassa
for the attainmentadhigamāya.
Why is that? Because that’s an irrational way to win the fruit.
just asSeyyathāpi,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
a personpuriso
in need of milkkhīratthiko
searching for milkkhīragavesī
in search of milkkhīrapariyesanaṁ
wanderingcaramāno
a cowgāviṁ
newly-calvedtaruṇavacchaṁ
by the hornvisāṇato
might pullāviñcheyya.
if with wishĀsañcepi
having madekaritvā
a cowgāviṁ
newly-calvedtaruṇavacchaṁ
by the hornvisāṇato
might pullāviñcheyya,
unableabhabbo
of milkkhīrassa
to obtainadhigamāya;
if without wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
…pe……pe…
wish andāsañca
if without wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
…pe……pe…
if neither with wishnevāsaṁ
nor without wishnānāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
a cowgāviṁ
newly-calvedtaruṇavacchaṁ
by the hornvisāṇato
might pullāviñcheyya,
unableabhabbo
of milkkhīrassa
to obtainadhigamāya.
thatTaṁ
whatkissa
reasonhetu?
irrationalAyoni
indeed thishesā,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
of milkkhīrassa
to obtainadhigamāya.
just soEvameva
indeedkho,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
whoeverye
indeedhi
anykeci
asceticssamaṇā
orvā
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
orvā
of wrong viewmicchādiṭṭhino
…pe……pe…
of wrong concentrationmicchāsamādhino
thosete
if with wishāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they livecaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
to obtainadhigamāya;
if without wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
…pe……pe…
wish andāsañca
if without wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
…pe……pe…
if neither with wishnevāsaṁ
nor without wishnānāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they livecaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
to obtainadhigamāya.
thatTaṁ
whatkissa
reasonhetu?
irrationalAyoni
indeed thishesā,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
of the fruitphalassa
to obtainadhigamāya.
Suppose there was a person in need of milk. While wandering in search of milk, they tried pulling the horn of a newly-calved cow. But by doing this, they couldn’t get any milk, regardless of whether they made a wish, didn’t make a wish, both did and did not make a wish, or neither did nor did not make a wish. Why is that? Because that’s an irrational way to get milk. And so it is for any ascetics and brahmins who have wrong view … Because that’s an irrational way to win the fruit.
just asSeyyathāpi,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
a personpuriso
needing butternavanītatthiko
seeking butternavanītagavesī
search for butternavanītapariyesanaṁ
wanderingcaramāno
waterudakaṁ
into a potkalase
having pouredāsiñcitvā
with a stickmatthena
might churnāviñcheyya.
if even with a wishĀsañcepi
having madekaritvā
waterudakaṁ
into a potkalase
having pouredāsiñcitvā
with a stickmatthena
might churnāviñcheyya,
unableabhabbo
of butternavanītassa
for producingadhigamāya;
if even without a wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
……pe…
both with a wishāsañca
and without a wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
……pe…
neither with a wishnevāsaṁ
nor without a wishnānāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
waterudakaṁ
into a potkalase
having pouredāsiñcitvā
with a stickmatthena
might churnāviñcheyya,
unableabhabbo
of butternavanītassa
for producingadhigamāya.
thatTaṁ
of whatkissa
is the causehetu?
irrationalAyoni
this indeed ishesā,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
of butternavanītassa
for producingadhigamāya.
in the same wayEvameva
indeedkho,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
whoeverye
indeedhi
anykeci
asceticssamaṇā
orvā
brahminsbrāhmaṇā
orvā
of wrong viewmicchādiṭṭhino
……pe…
of wrong immersionmicchāsamādhino
theyte
if even with a wishāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they livecaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
for winningadhigamāya;
if even without a wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
……pe…
both with a wishāsañca
and without a wishanāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
……pe…
neither with a wishnevāsaṁ
nor without a wishnānāsañcepi
having madekaritvā
the spiritual lifebrahmacariyaṁ
they livecaranti,
unableabhabbā
of the fruitphalassa
for winningadhigamāya.
thatTaṁ
of whatkissa
is the causehetu?
irrationalAyoni
this indeed ishesā,
Bhūmijabhūmija,
of the fruitphalassa
for winningadhigamāya.
Suppose there was a person in need of butter. While wandering in search of butter, they tried pouring water into a pot and churning it with a stick. But by doing this, they couldn’t produce any butter, regardless of whether they made a wish, didn’t make a wish, both did and did not make a wish, or neither did nor did not make a wish. Why is that? Because that’s an irrational way to produce butter. And so it is for any ascetics and brahmins who have wrong view … Because that’s an irrational way to win the fruit.
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