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Majjhima Nikāya 35

Cūḷasaccakasutta

The Shorter Discourse With Saccaka · Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato, SuttaCentral

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by thatTena indeedkho thenpana timesamayena severalsambahulā monksbhikkhū in the open airabbhokāse they are walkingcaṅkamanti.
thenAtha indeedkho Saccakasaccako Jain·sonnigaṇṭhaputto whereyena thosete monksbhikkhū he approached themtenupasaṅkami; having approachedupasaṅkamitvā thosete monksbhikkhū he said thisetadavoca:
where“kahaṁ nownu indeedkho, sirsbho, at presentetarahi thatso worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo he dwellsviharati?
seeing·desiringDassanakāmā forhi wemayaṁ himtaṁ worthybhavantaṁ Gotamagotaman”ti.
Esa“Esa, Aggivessanaaggivessana, blessed onebhagavā great·woodmahāvanaṁ having plunged intoajjhogāhetvā at a certainaññatarasmiṁ tree·rootrukkhamūle day·meditationdivāvihāraṁ seatednisinno”ti.

thenAtha indeedkho Saccakasaccako Jain·sonnigaṇṭhaputto with a largemahatiyā Licchavi·grouplicchaviparisāya together withsaddhiṁ great·woodmahāvanaṁ having enteredajjhogāhetvā whereyena the Blessed Onebhagavā he approached himtenupasaṅkami; having approachedupasaṅkamitvā with the Blessed Onebhagavatā together withsaddhiṁ exchanged greetingssammodi.
greetingSammodanīyaṁ conversationkathaṁ politesāraṇīyaṁ having exchangedvītisāretvā one·sideekamantaṁ sat downnisīdi.
those·tooTepi indeedkho Licchavislicchavī some·oneappekacce the Blessed Onebhagavantaṁ having bowedabhivādetvā one·sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu, some·oneappekacce with the Blessed Onebhagavatā together withsaddhiṁ exchanged greetingssammodiṁsu, greetingsammodanīyaṁ conversationkathaṁ politesāraṇīyaṁ having exchangedvītisāretvā one·sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu. some·oneAppekacce whereyena the Blessed Onebhagavā toward him cupped palmstenañjaliṁ having held uppaṇāmetvā one·sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu, some·oneappekacce of the Blessed Onebhagavato in the presencesantike name·clannāmagottaṁ having announcedsāvetvā one·sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu, some·oneappekacce silent·becometuṇhībhūtā one·sideekamantaṁ they sat downnisīdiṁsu.

one·sideEkamantaṁ seatednisinno indeedkho Saccakasaccako son of a Jainnigaṇṭhaputto blessed·onebhagavantaṁ said thisetadavoca:
I might ask“puccheyyāhaṁ the worthybhavantaṁ Gotamagotamaṁ some·indeedkiñcideva pointdesaṁ, ifsace to meme the worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo opportunityokāsaṁ makeskaroti of a questionpañhassa for answeringveyyākaraṇāyā”ti.
ask“Puccha, Aggivessanaaggivessana, whatever you wishyadākaṅkhasī”ti.
how“Kathaṁ thenpana the worthybhavaṁ Gotamagotamo disciplessāvake lead·guidevineti, what·topickathaṁbhāgā andca thenpana of the worthybhoto Gotamagotamassa to disciplessāvakesu along·instructionanusāsanī usuallybahulā proceedspavattatī”ti?
thus“Evaṁ indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, disciplessāvake lead·guidevinemi, these·topicevaṁbhāgā andca thenpana myme to disciplessāvakesu along·instructionanusāsanī usuallybahulā forth·proceedpavattati:
form‘rūpaṁ, monksbhikkhave, not·permanentaniccaṁ, feelingvedanā not·permanentaniccā, perceptionsaññā not·permanentaniccā, choicessaṅkhārā not·permanentaniccā, separately·knowingviññāṇaṁ not·permanentaniccaṁ.
formRūpaṁ, monksbhikkhave, not·selfanattā, feelingvedanā not·selfanattā, perceptionsaññā not·selfanattā, choicessaṅkhārā not·selfanattā, separately·knowingviññāṇaṁ not·selfanattā.
allSabbe conditionssaṅkhārā not·permanentaniccā, allsabbe thingsdhammā not-selfanattā’ti.
thusEvaṁ indeedkho Iahaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, disciplessāvake lead·guidevinemi, these·topicevaṁbhāgā andca thenpana myme to disciplessāvakesu along·instructionanusāsanī usuallybahulā proceedspavattatī”ti.

a simile“Upamā memaṁ, worthybho Gotamagotama, strikes; quotation markerpaṭibhātī”ti.
let it strike“Paṭibhātu youtaṁ, Aggivessana; quotation markeraggivessanā”ti the Buddhabhagavā saidavoca.
just as“Seyyathāpi, worthybho Gotamagotama, whicheverye thesekecime seed-group·plant-groupbījagāmabhūtagāmā growthvuddhiṁ increasevirūḷhiṁ maturityvepullaṁ achieveāpajjanti, allsabbe theyte the earthpathaviṁ depending onnissāya on the earthpathaviyaṁ groundedpatiṭṭhāya.
in this way theseEvamete seed-group·plant-groupbījagāmabhūtagāmā growthvuddhiṁ increasevirūḷhiṁ maturityvepullaṁ achieveāpajjanti.
just asSeyyathāpi orvā indeedpana, worthybho Gotamagotama, whicheverye thesekecime hard workbalakaraṇīyā taskskammantā get donekarīyanti, allsabbe theyte the earthpathaviṁ depending onnissāya on the earthpathaviyaṁ groundedpatiṭṭhāya.
in this way theseEvamete hard workbalakaraṇīyā taskskammantā get donekarīyanti.

thus·justEvameva indeedkho, sirbho Gotamagotama, whose self is formrūpattāyaṁ person·individualpurisapuggalo in formrūpe establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā not·meritapuññaṁ orvā they brim withpasavati, whose self is feelingvedanattāyaṁ person·individualpurisapuggalo in feelingvedanāyaṁ establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā not·meritapuññaṁ orvā they brim withpasavati, whose self is perceptionsaññattāyaṁ person·individualpurisapuggalo in perceptionsaññāyaṁ establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā not·meritapuññaṁ orvā they brim withpasavati, whose self is choicessaṅkhārattāyaṁ person·individualpurisapuggalo in choicessaṅkhāresu establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā not·meritapuññaṁ orvā they brim withpasavati, whose self is consciousnessviññāṇattāyaṁ person·individualpurisapuggalo in consciousnessviññāṇe establishedpatiṭṭhāya meritpuññaṁ orvā not·meritapuññaṁ orvā they brim with”pasavatī”ti.

is it not“Nanu youtvaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, thusevaṁ you sayvadesi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme selfattā, feelingvedanā myme selfattā, perceptionsaññā myme selfattā, choicessaṅkhārā myme selfattā, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ myme selfattā’”ti?
I indeed“Ahañhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, thusevaṁ I sayvadāmi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme selfattā, feelingvedanā myme selfattā, perceptionsaññā myme selfattā, choicessaṅkhārā myme selfattā, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ myme selfattā’ti, this·andayañca bigmahatī crowdjanatā”ti.
what indeed“Kiñhi to youte, Aggivessanaaggivessana, bigmahatī crowdjanatā do·willkarissati?
pleaseIṅgha youtvaṁ, Aggivessanaaggivessana, own·indeed·justsakaññeva statementvādaṁ unpacknibbeṭhehī”ti.
I indeed“Ahañhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, thusevaṁ I sayvadāmi:
form‘rūpaṁ myme selfattā, feelingvedanā myme selfattā, perceptionsaññā myme selfattā, choicessaṅkhārā myme selfattā, consciousnessviññāṇaṁ myme selfattā’”ti.

by this“Tena thenhi, Aggivessanaaggivessana, the very same I will ask you abouttaññevettha I will ask in returnpaṭipucchissāmi, asyathā to youte it may be pleasingkhameyya sotathā itnaṁ you may explainbyākareyyāsi.
thatTaṁ whatkiṁ do you thinkmaññasi, Aggivessanaaggivessana,
would there bevatteyya of a kingrañño an aristocratickhattiyassa head·anointedmuddhāvasittassa in his ownsakasmiṁ in the realmvijite powervaso—
those who have incurred executionghātetāyaṁ orvā to executeghātetuṁ, those who have incurred finesjāpetāyaṁ orvā to finejāpetuṁ, those who have incurred banishmentpabbājetāyaṁ orvā to banishpabbājetuṁ, such asseyyathāpi of kingrañño Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa, such asseyyathāpi orvā thenpana of kingrañño of Magadhamāgadhassa Ajātasattuajātasattussa Videhan·sonvedehiputtassā”ti?
would there be“Vatteyya, worthybho Gotamagotama, of a kingrañño an aristocratickhattiyassa head·anointedmuddhāvasittassa in his ownsakasmiṁ in the realmvijite powervaso—
those who have incurred executionghātetāyaṁ orvā to executeghātetuṁ, those who have incurred finesjāpetāyaṁ orvā to finejāpetuṁ, those who have incurred banishmentpabbājetāyaṁ orvā to banishpabbājetuṁ, such asseyyathāpi of kingrañño Pasenadipasenadissa of Kosalakosalassa, such asseyyathāpi orvā thenpana of kingrañño of Magadhamāgadhassa Ajātasattuajātasattussa Videhan·sonvedehiputtassa.
these·alsoImesampi indeedhi, worthybho Gotamagotama, of federationssaṅghānaṁ of communitiesgaṇānaṁ—
that is·VajjiSeyyathidaṁ—vajjīnaṁ of Mallasmallānaṁ—
there isvattati in their ownsakasmiṁ in the realmvijite powervaso—
those who have incurred executionghātetāyaṁ orvā to executeghātetuṁ, those who have incurred finesjāpetāyaṁ orvā to finejāpetuṁ, those who have incurred banishmentpabbājetāyaṁ orvā to banishpabbājetuṁ.

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